Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x10 - "The Last Generation"

[Scionz]

Yeah, that's the crutch it stands on. And that's why it won't age well.

It's Star Trek: The Force Awakens

Everybody likes it at first because it's new and hitting you with nostalgia, but once the newness wears off, people will get bored of it.

It will be interesting to see how Picard holds up over time. Are we being fooled by nostalgia? Or is it actually good? Maybe a little of both.

I disagree with this very much.

I still watch Berman-era Trek regularly. It's 48 minute episodes are well timed with a cardio workout. Same with the Star Wars shows. Everything is very rewatchable.

Of live action Streaming Trek, the record so far has been mixed. I really like what Discovery has become, but it can be a very heavy, very dour show. It takes itself too seriously... which is fine, it makes it distinctive vs other Trek (and ALL shows should be different), but its not a show you rush to rewatch. The same can be said for Picard Season 1 and 2. I have rewatched them a couple times, but they're slogs.

SNW is not that one bit. SNW is the first show since the Berman era that is easily rewatchable precisely because it doesn't take itself too seriously. Because you don't get to the end of the hour and feel exhausted. You feel rewarded. With Discovery, even when its good, is a tiring show to watch because of its angsty tone and heavily serialized nature (which makes you rewatch in order). I think of all the streaming shows to date, SNW will have the most legs down the road.

Picard Season 3 will have legs too, in my opinion, precisely because they littered the feel good moments throughout. The pacing was incredible. It's a monument to writing all your scripts before shooting. But most of all, it feels perfectly in sync with Nemesis and TNG. It's not a dour show. It's a fantasy Star Trek show. It's cinematic-Berman era, in series form, with modern pacing. That is going to count for a lot.

You know who actually put this best? The producers of Stargate SG-1 in the 2000s, who said the secret to their success was making a show that was in on the joke with the audience. A show that was entertaining and told a good story but didn't shy away from how ridiculous much of it was.Trek is best, when it is that. (this is of course, an ironic statement given what Stargate Universe was, and how it shipwrecked the franchise)

 

[Scionz]

The funny thing is that if you edit out the snoring, it looks like he died on that chair.

TBH I honestly expected Worf to die. I'm glad he didn't. But I knew they wouldn't kill Picard or Riker. Not after Season 1, and death made no sense given Riker's arc this season.

But Worf... the example of Kor has to hang over him. An old Klingon is to a degree failed Klingon. You become a master of war, having defeated all your enemies (what a Klingon strives to excel at), but doing that, you're doomed to die in your bed, an inglorious death. The worst thing for Worf would be for him to die in his sleep. The best would be for him to go down as Kor did, while his friends sung a song of him to commemorate his life and heroic passing.

I'm glad they didn't do it. Killing characters in fiction is stupid and cheap. But if they were going to kill anyone, that would ironically be his *good* ending. If they bring him back in Legacy, I hope they do an arch with Alexander that leads to that end, so he can go to Sto-vo-Kor to Jadzia finally.

 

[thribs]

But Worf isn’t an old Klingon. They’re like Vulcans and have a near 200 year lifespans. That makes him the youngest out of the TNG crew, relatively speaking.

 

[Farscape One]

Well, then they became a Cherokee tribe!


So proud to live. So proud to die.

I am hearing Europe's "Cherokee" in my head right now...

 

[Fateor]

Oh, you know, it just occurred to me. It bothered me that the assimilated crew was taking the normal stations (including the captain's chair) and reporting in verbally that they'd seized the Titan, but of course. They'd have to. They were "assimilated" with receivers only, no ability to transmit thoughts. They'd have to communicate and coordinate with all the other Borg (aside from the Queen herself, giving the marching orders through Võx) conventionally. Which also means that the collective wouldn't be aware when they were subdued or captured if no one tipped them off.

Yup, they even directly showed us that when Picard got Jack out and the assimilated went all "connection severed continuing last orders".

 

[Scionz]

Did anyone else think on their first viewing Spacedock was destroyed and they built a new one? I did, but it's actually the same. It was just heavily damaged.

 

[Paul Weaver]

Presumably spacedock powers the orbital defences and global shields, once spacedocks power was offline the shields went down and there was no need to continue attacking the dock.

 

[thribs]

Well I don’t think they could build a new one in just a year. The thing is massive

 

[Paul Weaver]

I still watch Berman-era Trek regularly. Its 48 minute episodes are well timed with a cardio workout.

old trek was episodic. A story started and finished in the 45 minutes. Maybe a few ongoing character arcs, especially ds9, but the A and B plots were sorted with a few exceptions.

Picard isn’t anywhere near that, story arcs continue through the whole series on the whole

the last two trek episodes I watched though (aside from Picard) were discovery season 3, the one at earth and the one at trill. They work well as stand alone episodes.

 

[Paul Weaver]

Well I don’t think they could build a new one in just a year. The thing is massive

maybe they towed starbase 47 back to earth

was a bit ambiguous about whether it was fully destroyed, I certainly thought it had, but I agree building a new one in a year would be surprising.

 

[Fateor]

Well I don’t think they could build a new one in just a year. The thing is massive

I don't see why not?

Given the speed that we saw a shuttle assembled in Prodigy, a bunch of worker drones with vehicle replicators should be able to put something like that together in a year easy.

 

[thribs]

I’m pretty sure Spacedock is more elaborate than a small shuttle

 

[Trekker4747]

I’m pretty sure Spacedock is more elaborate than a small shuttle

A tad...

 

[Fateor]

I’m pretty sure Spacedock is more elaborate than a small shuttle

It's actually not.

In fact, the compact Warp Drive would probably make a shuttle more difficult to put together via replication then something like Spacedock. Where the most complex parts would have been things like the Fusion Reactors, Subspace Antenna, and Shield Emitters.

 

[Belz...]

She'd have been 29 (commissioned in 2372, PIC S3 takes place in 2401). For comparison's sake the original 1701 achieved this milestone some time between The Motion Picture and The Wrath of Khan, and as a real-world example the USS Enterprise CVN-65 was on active service with the US Navy for almost 51 years.

Again, I'm not saying that the E would be old. I'm saying that, as it's twice the age of the F, it's more believable that she would be retired at this stage. And this is just to get me the F at the end of the series rather than the G.

 

[MrSpot]

So that's that then, season 3 is done.

Was it good? Overall, definitely not.

Was it bad? No. At least, not completely.

It was ....... exceedingly bland and average at best. The writing was all over the place, as was the direction and editing.

They can use all of the flashy CGI and excellent recreation of the Enterprise D set for all they like, also fill it with a ton of fan service, but none of those make up for truly great writing (which this was still very sadly lacking).

Matalas could turn out to be a really good future showrunner of Star Trek if only he'd find and employ some excellent writers. He obviously has a great deal of respect for Star Trek but he can only work with what he's given when it comes to the writers.

So I'd score season 3 as a 6/10 (seasons 1 and 2 get a 2/10).

 

[Belz...]

Yeah, that's the crutch it stands on. And that's why it won't age well.

It's Star Trek: The Force Awakens

Everybody likes it at first because it's new and hitting you with nostalgia, but once the newness wears off, people will get bored of it.

It will be interesting to see how Picard holds up over time. Are we being fooled by nostalgia? Or is it actually good? Maybe a little of both.

I generally dislike shows or movies that rely too much on nostalgia because despite being fun, it doesn't offer anything new. It's one reason why I haven't seen the latest Ghostbusters movie.

As a fan, I don't want the show to live in the past; I've got my home videos for that.

 

[jaime]

I generally dislike shows or movies that rely too much on nostalgia because despite being fun, it doesn't offer anything new. It's one reason why I haven't seen the latest Ghostbusters movie.

As a fan, I don't want the show to live in the past; I've got my home videos for that.

Shame, the new Ghostbusters movie does some pretty good stuff with its new and nostalgic elements.

 

[Citiprime]

Saw this posted on Instagram, basically a reverse Game of Thrones take on the show lol.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

It's actually not.

In fact, the compact Warp Drive would probably make a shuttle more difficult to put together via replication then something like Spacedock. Where the most complex parts would have been things like the Fusion Reactors, Subspace Antenna, and Shield Emitters.

I think that given how long Spacedock (a.k.a. Probert Station) went toe-to-toe with the "entire" Federation fleet, and given that in addition it was evidently an integral component of Earth's planetary shielding, I'd imagine it must have some essential defensive components that are very difficult to replicate.