Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x10 - "The Last Generation"

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Well, I wouldn't equate them to that, since the Taliban is a large, organized government that has itself twice seized state power, and Vadic's group are clearly not that. I think a better comparison would be to the Troubles-era IRA, since Vadic's Changelings are nationalists who have splintered off from their original government because they refuse to accept the peace settlement reached with their home nation's foreign enemies.

How about Al Qaeda, would that be a more apt analogy, or ISIS/ISIL/Daesh?

 

[Commander K]

And special shout-out to Raffi, the only new character to survive through all 3 seasons...

Hold on....what ever happened to La Sirena? Where is it? Should of been in that fight at the end with Titan...Holo rios captaining

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

I am curious now, did the damage suffered by the Queen explain why the Borg virus was more selective in only targeting the younger generation? I do still find it kind of silly but that explanation seems a bit more reasonable to me, in the full episode context. I also admit it seemed a tad odd to me to hear Walter Koenig's voice, as I'd think his son would be a bit older in the PIC timeframe.

I don't think the Borg was aiming to target the younger generation, there was no way of testing the effects of the changes w/o Jack and she only got control of Jack at the end.

I think the original plan was to control everybody. But a side-affect was that it didn't work on older people.

You can't predict many genetic changes on a mass group of people w/o testing.

Since The Borg Queen had no way of testing the final effects, she said "Good Enough" and did it as a Hail Mary plot.

It worked for the most part. I just don't think the Borg got the intended effects. But it was "Close Enough".

Another thing: I'm surprised Wesley Crusher didn't show up in this episode to introduce himself to his brother.

I hope that's saved for ST:Legacy, where he can be recurring character and spend quality time with his entire family.

He's got to have off-days and free time. He can't be busy 24/7/365 guarding the timeline/multi-verse

 

[Sci]

How about Al Qaeda, would that be a more apt analogy, or ISIS/ISIL/Daesh?

I don't really think al-Qaeda or DAESH are apt analogies because Vadic and her team are not motivated by a reactionary religious philosophy. They're nationalists who have rejected a peace settlement out of hatred and a desire for revenge against harm caused to them during war. That's why I think the post-Irish War of Independence IRA is a better example -- the various groups calling themselves the IRA during the Troubles were also nationalists who rejected a peace settlement with their nation's wartime enemies and splintered off from their home government because of it.

And special shout-out to Raffi, the only new character to survive through all 3 seasons...

Hold on....what ever happened to La Sirena? Where is it? Should of been in that fight at the end with Titan...Holo rios captaining

Excellent question! I think La Sirena might still be sitting in the Enterprise-G's shuttlebay, since we last saw it used to deliver Worf, Raffi, Riker, and Troi to the Titan.

I don't think the Borg was aiming to target the younger generation, there was no way of testing the effects of the changes w/o Jack and she only got control of Jack at the end.

I think the original plan was to control everybody. But a side-affect was that it didn't work on older people.

You can't predict many genetic changes on a mass group of people w/o testing.

Since The Borg Queen had no way of testing the final effects, she said "Good Enough" and did it as a Hail Mary plot.

It worked for the most part. I just don't think the Borg got the intended effects. But it was "Close Enough".

That's an excellent point. I had assumed the Borg Queen knew her plan wouldn't affect officers whose neocortexes had finished developing, but it's entirely possible that that was an unexpected development and she just decided to roll with it.

 

[Commander K]

Dorn, Spiner, Ryan by far were the best performers of the season, still natural to them...felt the rest more often than not played themselves. Stewart only picked up his Picardness in the final half. That finale performance was full of vigour and power, must have had his vitamin shots!

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

The American healthcare system saved my father twice. It brought my sister back to life after she took a lethal overdose of baclofen. Don't you dare tell me what I do or don't know.

It also saved my close friend from NHL (Non-Hodgkins Lymphoma) when he was in Stage-3 by the time it was discovered.

 

[Sci]

Dorn, Spiner, Ryan by far were the best performers of the season, still natural to them...felt the rest more often than not played themselves. Stewart only picked up his Picardness in the final half. That finale performance was full of vigour and power, must have had his vitamin shots!

Strong disagreement. Stewart turned in some of his finest performances as Jean-Luc Picard this season. That scene in sickbay between him and Gates McFadden in "Seventeen Seconds?" That was a powerhouse performance from both him and McFadden, enhanced by their having played these characters on and off for almost forty years now.

 

[Weyoun 251]

I might need to watch again to make sure I did understand this properly, but we the basis for the fleet formation thing that there had to be line of sight?

Their new big technological leap is fucking bluetooth/IR?

Also surely the cloaking device should have been locked out by the system being overrun?

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

The community manager at Star Trek Online reddit just posted they will not be removing past missions to match with Picard.

https://www.reddit.com/r/sto/commen.../?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

Good, STO's larger world affecting storyline is good on it's own merits.

 

[Sci]

I might need to watch again to make sure I did understand this properly, but we the basis for the fleet formation thing that there had to be line of sight?

Their new big technological leap is fucking bluetooth/IR?

After World War III, humanity lost circuit breaker, software firewall, and bluetooth technology.

Also surely the cloaking device should have been locked out by the system being overrun?

Not if it was never networked into the ship's software in the first place.

 

[Weyoun 251]

After World War III, humanity lost circuit breaker, software firewall, and bluetooth technology.



Not if it was never networked into the ship's software in the first place.

That is true - and it is the conceit with Trek that plugging in a new piece of hardware doesn't get the LCARS equivalent of the little USB/Device pop up in the corner that Windows does.

You would have thought that control over power distribution would be controlled though?

 

[Angel4576]

Dorn, Spiner, Ryan by far were the best performers of the season, still natural to them...felt the rest more often than not played themselves. Stewart only picked up his Picardness in the final half. That finale performance was full of vigour and power, must have had his vitamin shots!

Frakes for me. Frakes never fails to deliver when it comes to Star Trek, particularly TNG. He was as good here as he's ever been.

Of the new guys; Speleers and Stashwick I thought took to Trek like a duck to water, which is why I'd seriously hope that both are somehow involved with Trek going forward.

 

[Commander K]

Imagining Laris somewhere out there cursing in her Irish accent makes me giggle.

Seven was clearly armed on the Titan with a phaser and a set of hair curlers, can imagine her stopping mid phaser fight to restore those blonde curls which never felt affected by the crazy goinga on around her

 

[Happenstance]

Ok so when I saw the spoiler about the Titan renaming I wasn't particularly happy with it but having just watched the episode, Picard's reaction sold it for me along with "Names mean almost everything" from Jack

 

[dinzy]

The American healthcare system saved my father twice. It brought my sister back to life after she took a lethal overdose of baclofen. Don't you dare tell me what I do or don't know.

So you have some anecdotes of non awful outcomes, so what? Obviously there are some positive outcomes of the system, but as a whole it is awful. There are people who have died because they cannot afford insulin. There are people who avoid seeing a doctor because it is too expensive and then don't get the treatment they need and end up getting sicker or dying. There are people who travel to other countries to get care and recently that led to people getting killed. The system as a whole is awful. Go tell someone who lost a loved one because of costs that the system is fine because your dad didn't die. Go tell families hit with 10s of thousands in bills that their financial suffering is OK because your family got the care they needed and it didn't saddle anyone with debt.

The American healthcare system is horrible. This includes hospitals, drug companies, doctors, and insurers. On a whole it costs about 2x per person than the UK system. It costs over 3 Trillion every year in the US, and this does not include the cost of it's failings. If other countries have a system that works just as well if not better and costs 1/2 the price, then the expensive one is a bad system. If someone else can do better for half the cost, then that means the US is wasting half the money spent. They are wasting ~ 1.5 Trillion each year or more. That is more than 2x the defense budget which is often cited as excessive. Where does that money go to? Drug companies, Hospitals, and doctors. It makes them rich at the cost of a poor experience for everyone. That it works in some, even most cases is no excuse because it is a catastrophic waste for this country and for a lot of people it creates misery.

 

[jaime]

I might need to watch again to make sure I did understand this properly, but we the basis for the fleet formation thing that there had to be line of sight?

Their new big technological leap is fucking bluetooth/IR?

Also surely the cloaking device should have been locked out by the system being overrun?

That was a bit technobabble cludge-y, but the whole networked thing was understandably not about networking over vast distances, or directly under computer/AI control. (Which is good, because it makes more sense than them repeating mistakes going back to the m5 and Daystrom) It was more like ai-networked drones that we see today — something people have a better understanding of — and by making it work that way it explains why you need all your ships in one place.
The bit where it’s still a cludge, is I am not sure why the cloaking device helped, and it could have done with a tiny bit more technobabble.

 

[jaime]

Imagining Laris somewhere out there cursing in her Irish accent makes me giggle.

Seven was clearly armed on the Titan with a phaser and a set of hair curlers, can imagine her stopping mid phaser fight to restore those blonde curls which never felt affected by the crazy goinga on around her

She has Janeway’s old hairspray.

 

[Weyoun 251]

That was a bit technobabble cludge-y, but the whole networked thing was understandably not about networking over vast distances, or directly under computer/AI control. (Which is good, because it makes more sense than them repeating mistakes going back to the m5 and Daystrom) It was more like ai-networked drones that we see today — something people have a better understanding of — and by making it work that way it explains why you need all your ships in one place.
The bit where it’s still a cludge, is I am not sure why the cloaking device helped, and it could have done with a tiny bit more technobabble.

Agree entirely with what you have said there.

I think if they had said that some sort of resonance frequency or other technobabble like that from the cloaking device created interference with the signal which allowed them to regain control it would have made it sound more "Trekky" as opposed to a game of peek-a-boo

 

[jaime]

Agreed. He's the chosen one.. I've said it a lot in these threads. I think the problems of Season 1 and 2 illustrated that with 56 years of history behind it, if you're working with established settings and characters, you need Trek vets who know the lore and understand (as David Blass put it), Star Trek is fundamentally a period piece about the future. You don't put your own spin on stuff... you organically continue what came before. That is almost verbatim what Blass said what he gave marching orders to his production staffers: do Nemesis, evolved, not all-new.

SNW and Discovery can go nuts because that's uncovered or undercovered territory. They get to build their own stories in that sandbox. Like the Gorn retcon in SNW? Cool. Why not! We've seen like 5 minutes of Gorn in 50 years. So go nuts.

But the Berman sandbox has specific rules that must be observed, and that means the Sandbox warden needs to be someone who follows it.

Sorry, David Blass said that?
That’s my line on these very boards from when DSC was in production. I (unsurprisingly) went chapter and verse into it.
‘Trek is period piece about the future’ (c) me, lol.

 

[Commander K]

Was that a CGI Alice Krige? I can't tell these days