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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x10 - "The Last Generation"

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I’ve never been a fan of “the fat one” but seeing her weaving around like the Millennium Falcon inside the 2nd Death Star…….was kinda cool and she looked way better being so agile. Silly but cool.

For decades they've tried to show starships a large capital ships, and Matalas turns it into a fighter. Silly is an understatement.
 
Dramatically, this device is stupid. It undermines sense and dramatic repercussions. It's not clever, it's lowest common denominator (Matalas) fan wank weak. If you think it's clever, you have a very low standards. No exaggeration.
The only thing it undermines was a Season where Q showed up for a grand total of 26 minutes out of 480, and the Lionshare of it was spent jaunting around Los Angeles in 2022 saving a random relative of Picard on a historic spaceflight we never heard of before, while Picard dealt with a deep inner pain that itself was massive retcon.

I enjoyed Season 2 for what it was. But I'm quite glad to flush ever single plot point for it completely down the toilet, which Season 3 did from the very first moments of the first episode until the very last moments of the last episode.
 
For decades they've tried to show starships a large capital ships, and Matalas turns it into a fighter. Silly is an understatement.
*watches Star Trek First Contact*
*watches Dominion War Battles*.

There's seriously 30 year old CGI of Galaxy class and Galaxy-clas sized ships being very nimble. The slowness of ships in TNG and the TOS movies were mostly a function of motion control limitations that CGI undid.

Really, the Enterprise D never looked better. Though i think this cube was like one of those old Star Trek Armada fusion cubes or something. It was like 10 times the size of a normal cube.
 
Dramatically, this device is stupid. It undermines sense and dramatic repercussions. It's not clever, it's lowest common denominator (Matalas) fan wank weak. If you think it's clever, you have a very low standards. No exaggeration.
This is uncalled for. You are saying to someone If they like this, they have low standards. That is borderline personal attack and definitely an insult. Just because you don't like something, it does not mean that people who do have poor taste. The only poor taste here is your taste in responses and how to treat people.
 
Was President Chekov's attribution of Spock's line "There are always possibilities" to his father a reference to the fan film Star Trek: Of Gods and Men in which Admiral Pavel Chekov said the line while referencing Spock as its source.
 
Was President Chekov's attribution of Spock's line "There are always possibilities" to his father a reference to the fan film Star Trek: Of Gods and Men in which Admiral Pavel Chekov said the line while referencing Spock as its source.
I don't know, but it's kind of funny that the quote comes from Spock...but he never actually said it. We only hear from Kirk that Spock said it.
 
Retcons by a poor writer and poor producer. So he disliked things from other movies, and his own show, and changed them. Completely taking the piss out of himself. Is it too late to hire a chimp as showrunner? Would do a better job.

The real question is this the worst Trek finale ever? It's running neck and neck for that dishonor I think.
Please post the link to your IMDb so I can compare.
 
While I agree with you that "stunt deaths" are vastly overused, I don't think the solution there is to not kill characters. I think the solution there is to only kill characters when doing so actually enhances the story, and to not resurrect characters except very rarely.
This I agree with. But I don't think most writers today have the discipline to resist. I think they do it because the audience has come to expect it. It's a vicious cycle. It is one that played out on Picard Season 3 too, even though the writers had no intention of killing ANY of the principal TNG cast. It is to S3's writers immense credit they resisted that. The only real "stunt death" all season was Shelby, and she hadn't shown up in 35 years anyway so who cares.

What I want to see is death stop being utilized as a way to advance a story, until we get to a point where audiences stop walking into productions wondering who is the first character that is going to get killed off. We're a very far way from that. As I said, just wait until Stranger Things' final season airs. There's going to be betting pools as to what kid buys the farm. Which is crazy because the best ending for all of them is to grow up and have the events in Indiana be a formative, but not solely defining, part of their lives. Because that's also what life is. Not waiting for death but change over time.


Other than that -- I think you and I are looking for fundamentally different thematic content. I'm looking for thematic unity across all three seasons of Star Trek: Picard and for a continuation of the themes of finding meaning in spite of death, and so for me the best way to achieve that thematic unity and bring thematic completion of the series is for it to end with Jean-Luc Picard's death. Same way Six Feet Under pretty much had to end with Nate's death and the deaths of the entire Fischer family.
Maybe. Fundamentally, I take Matalas and co's Tweets in advance of Season 1 as law on what Season 3 is. It's TNG Season 8. They probably didn't call it as such for rights/licensing/merch/guild reasons or whatever, but Picard had like half the lines of Season 2 and some of these episodes he was a secondary player to his TNG peers.

This continuing Season 1 and 2's themes just because it's still named Picard would have been a complete waste when the goal from the outset was to make this the TNG ending that we never got. Why? Because Picard Season 1 and 2 didn't mean anything. Little of consequence happened other than what was later opportunistically utilized as plot points in Season 3 (like the Picard original body bit). Most of the characters were forgettable (besides Rios). Little was carried over from Season 2. It would have made no sense to still carry over the themes rather than do TNG Season 8, which is what they did.
 
It's TNG Season 8. They probably didn't call it as such for rights/licensing/merch/guild reasons or whatever, but Picard had like half the lines of Season 2 and some of these episodes he was a secondary player to his TNG peers.
Terry said pre-release that it wasn't TNG Season 8, that people shouldn't expect Season 8.
 
Retcons by a poor writer and poor producer. So he disliked things from other movies, and his own show, and changed them. Completely taking the piss out of himself. Is it too late to hire a chimp as showrunner? Would do a better job.

The real question is this the worst Trek finale ever? It's running neck and neck for that dishonor I think.
This is a real low energy troll and you should be ashamed of yourself for even trying.

Really if you're going to waste your time and mines trying to push people's buttons, be more subtle about it. It's 2023 and none of us are new at this.
 
And you have low manners.
This is uncalled for. You are saying to someone If they like this, they have low standards. That is borderline personal attack and definitely an insult. Just because you don't like something, it does not mean that people who do have poor taste. The only poor taste here is your taste in responses and how to treat people.
Objectively, Matalas' choices are dramatically bone headed. There's no defending them. He has become the lowest common denominator: the fan wank King. He's the basement geek constantly hitting the reset button on his computer, but in this case its on his own show!
 
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I'm quite conflicted about the finale and the season in general. Coming after season two, it was exceedingly easy for it to impress just by being competent, and it did clear that low bar. The finale (and the season in general) had me smiling and rolling my eyes in fairly equal measure, so I really don't know how to feel. Once some time has passed I think I'll have a better idea.

Is it a better ending than Nemesis? Uh...kind of? It gave some of the characters more to do than Nemesis did, and this one actually tried to be an ending whereas NEM waffled, so I guess PICs3 wins that one by default. ;)
 
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