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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x09 - "Võx"

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You're free to rate it however you like, of course. But consider this.

You gave this one 10 where you didn't like some of it but the ending saved it. Now imagine an episode where the entirety of it was good, including an amazing ending. Wouldn't that be higher?

Not suggesting you change your rating, but just food for thought. I do reserve 10s and even 9s for truly extraordinary episodes that are good from beginning to end.
When I woke up this morning I was thinking about it some more and coming off the high of last night I think I would rate this a 6 or 7. I can’t change my rating, however.
 
My theory is that the Prodigy networking boondoggle and the Lower Decks issue was early trial runs of the Borg trying to do things and..failing.
 
The odds of Trek Legacy are extremely low because Matalas doesn't work for P+ anymore. I do wonder if there are some egos at play considering that Pic S3 appears to be the most popular of the new shows produced so far, at least with existing fans. Maybe after Picard ends, they might ask for him to pitch again. Or maybe they'll continue to ride that Discovery train.

My gut feeling is they'll try to push forward with S31 and Michelle Yeoh because she won an Oscar and it'll be crap.
I mean Picard was probably the least liked up until this season. Sure there's a lot of Discovery hate too, but it also has a reasonably large fanbase, especially since S2, whereas Picard seemed to have found a few fans. It never seemed well liked by older fans either, and its S2 was not as well received. If anything Strange New Worlds and Lower Decks are the fandom darlings at the moment, and I think for all the love Picard's 3rd season has gotten, the mystery box nature means it's likely to be largely forgotten when Strange New Worlds S2 starts. I doubt we're getting the Michelle Yeoh S31 show at this point, because well she won an Oscar, and she's probably going to be out of their price range for anything but a limited series.

I guess it depends on how well things go, but I wouldn't mind a Star Trek show with the Titan bridge crew and without Matalas.
 
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I don't think there's any plausible way Shinzon could have been less than 25-30 years old in 2379, so the Romulan plot to clone Jean-Luc almost certainly had to have been underway by the 2350s.
One of the main reasons the entire plot of Nemesis doesn't work is that the Romulans had no idea that Picard would become as significant as he did, even with the latest possible year for Shinzon's apparent age. They could've resolved this by explicitly stating him to be aging faster akin to the clones in Star Wars, but apparently the only modification done to him was a trigger that would swiftly age him up to Picard's current age in a few weeks or so and instead ended up killing him.
 
I was thinking that anyone doing it right would have to do the Vulcan science academy and Starfleet Academy, but you're right, since T'Pol human/Vulcan "rank" have been transferable.

Although considering that her life span is a third that of a Vulcan, it's a certainty that no one would have permitted Michael a gap year to find herself.

The Irony is that she outlived Spock by nearly a thousand years.

Cause she cheated, and not in the good way Kirk did on Kobayashi
 
Another stray thought.

I know you can argue that the events of the last 8 episodes 'activated' Jack and made him aware of his Borg powers, but it's kind of funny that Vadic's entire storyline is rendered pointless by the fact that Jack just goes to the Collective on his own anyway.
Yeah, I thought of that too. So much wasted time. I suppose the character development, connection with JL, etc., might help him break from the Queen or something. But really might as well have given him up earlier!!! :lol:
 
Because it wouldn't have worked.

Realistically we were looking at maybe an 1/8th or a 1/10th of the crew being controlled. Even with the advantage of the other 7/8th's or 9/10's not wanting to kill the mind controlled. Without the link up limiting ships systems and letting them direct fleet firepower to instantly wipe out any ships that do re-gain control. It would have been a quickly dealt with failure from just sheer numbers acting against them.
But they did take over all the ships, all except that one as far as we know.
 
Especially considering Starfleet personnel under 25 had just been assimilated, his son was with the borg, and starfleet personnel older than 25 were being murdered. It just didn't fit - it's like an inappropriate time for the character to make a happy joke comment like that.
Ya but plot and death and timing don't matter.
This isn't actually a TV show just a live action "Star Trek The Exhibition"
 
I'm not sure that this specific plan was in mind when Picard was turned into Locutus.

Locutus was special, he spoke as an individual and he had noticeably less implants and modifications than other Borg specificially to look less horrific to humanity at large, this genetic alteration to have an organic receiver may have been in service of this.

This whole plan hinged upon Locutus being freed from the collective and going on to have a biological child and having a means to modify the transporters on every Starfleet vessel.

I think the more likely scenario is that after their near extinction at the hands of Admiral Janeway the Queen learns that Picard had a son and realized what the genetic alterations done to him could mean being passed down to a child.

Maybe the Queen learned that Picard had a son from assimilating Admiral Janeway, she traveled back in time from 2404.
 
I like my fresh new Trek, and as a half-naysayer with this season, this episode worked for me. I felt sympathy, sadness, elation, anticipation.

The new Assimilation process is genuinely scary. It makes our heroes feel helpless. We have more personal connection to these people than some other movies, FC for example.

I also find it satisfying as a coda on our three phases of Borg: the lost souls of season 1, the Borg "other" in season 2, now the pure, terrifying Borg. It all works.

Matalas fixing things: some were unnecessary, but the E-D restoration seems perfectly sound. No qualms here.

The saddest part: Shelby was one of the finest female characters of the first 30 years of Trek: strong, intelligent, threatening. She broke stereotypes. They cast a blonde in this role! Do you know how stereotyped women were in 90s tv and in this ST Era?? Sad to see you go Shelby.

There’s always Tasha Yar
 
I think the "I'm here for you" then run away thing for Troi was a really bad choice. I wanted there to be some real skill display for Troi as both a mental health professional and as a telepath. Everyone else has gotten a chance to be badass.
Troi really hasn't been used well this season. Not appearing for most of it. Then when she has her big moment, she runs. I've read that Sirtis wasn't happy with her role this season. If that's true, I can see why. Hopefully, she'll have good moments in the finale.
 
But they did take over all the ships, all except that one as far as we know.
They took over those ships because of the combination of things mentioned.

And functionally speaking, they have probably just taken over the bridge and are using that to lock down the rest of the ship. Something which would have lasted all of thirty minutes without the rest of the fleet being around to act as both a manpower reservoir and blow you up threat.
 
I've really enjoyed this season, and was totally hyped for the last two episodes. There were some great moments in this episode, but ultimately the reveal in the first 5 minutes killed it for me. I probably half-expected (or even more than half) it to be the Borg, but I hadn't realized how much I didn't want it to be them until they were revealed. I then spent the rest of the episode in a mood, which even the last 5 minutes couldn't penetrate. Killing off Shaw seemed fairly anti-climactic and was done in arguably the most predictable way possible.

Seems most folks liked it, and happy days to them, but I really didn't..... :(
 
I'm not sure that this specific plan was in mind when Picard was turned into Locutus.

Locutus was special, he spoke as an individual and he had noticeably less implants and modifications than other Borg specificially to look less horrific to humanity at large, this genetic alteration to have an organic receiver may have been in service of this.

This whole plan hinged upon Locutus being freed from the collective and going on to have a biological child and having a means to modify the transporters on every Starfleet vessel.

I think the more likely scenario is that after their near extinction at the hands of Admiral Janeway the Queen learns that Picard had a son and realized what the genetic alterations done to him could mean being passed down to a child.

Maybe the Queen learned that Picard had a son from assimilating Admiral Janeway, she traveled back in time from 2404.

The Queen is the iromoduic Syndrome.

A copy of her personality/program stored in the virus as biodata.

What changed is that Picard died.

Back burner, back burner, back burner... Shit! He's dead!

We were definitely going to get onto that any day now.
 
Troi really hasn't been used well this season. Not appearing for most of it. Then when she has her big moment, she runs. I've read that Sirtis wasn't happy with her role this season. If that's true, I can see why. Hopefully, she'll have good moments in the finale.
It looks that way, but some things out weigh personal responsibility, like reporting on a potential major threat against...the Galaxy.

I agree she's been under-served but it may be because Sirtis was only in the US to film for a short time.
 
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