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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x09 - "Võx"

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I would assume that the Changelings weren't able to put the new DNA into the transporters until after they stole Picard's first body just a few weeks before S3E1, so presumably they haven't had enough time to get most people to pass on the mutation to their children.

Are we given a timeline for how long ago the theft was?
 
Youtubers can say what they want, doesn't make it true.
True, but as they saw the entire season three months ago, they likely know behind the scenes information the general public doesn't know.

Why would you need a YouTube reviewer for either of those confirmations?

They both very clearly die - the story doesn't work if they are still alive.
Clearly die requires a little more in the Star Trek universe. So without seeing 310, you wouldn't know for sure.

And knowing Shelby is dead dead, that significantly effects how I view and rate the episode, much how Hugh's death impacts my view of season 1.
 
I mean, the deaths are easy enough to confirm if they've seen screeners up to ep10, but why would yon YouTuber have solid knowledge about what's on the slate?

I presume they're intimating that some/all of the cast go out in a blaze of glory here.

Which, even if it happens, doesn't undo Star Trek: Legacy, as I presume Matalas has a lot of DS9 and VOY characters to kill off yet.

Edit: I suppose it might also refer to either the Titan or the Ent-D getting blowed up - maybe both.
 
The odds of Trek Legacy are extremely low because Matalas doesn't work for P+ anymore. I do wonder if there are some egos at play considering that Pic S3 appears to be the most popular of the new shows produced so far, at least with existing fans. Maybe after Picard ends, they might ask for him to pitch again. Or maybe they'll continue to ride that Discovery train.

My gut feeling is they'll try to push forward with S31 and Michelle Yeoh because she won an Oscar and it'll be crap.
 
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Real talk: How crucial would Shelby and Shaw have been for a Star Trek: Picard spinoff?

Not crucial at all. Shelby had about 30 seconds of screen time here, and Shaw was always a marked man.

Well, yeah, but just because you can be a junior officer at 23 does not make it the median age.

I'm pretty sure it is supposed to be the median age for officer commissions.

I understand why the story needed this to happen, but within universe it's just not plausible to me that Shaw would want to have such an inexperienced crew - not if the Titan remains a pretty prestigious assignment even after the retirement of Riker.

Maybe. On the other hand, I got the impression the Titan-A's mission profile at the start of the season was for this to be a "make-work" tour until Frontier Day, after which their normal duty tour would begin. So maybe this crew is unusually young because the more senior staff were supposed to take their positions after Frontier Day.

I dunno. I mean, I think back to TNG, and not one of the characters on the bridge regularly (other than Wesley) was under 25. On DS9, all the characters in Ops were canonically older (I think Bashir was meant to be in his late 20s). On Voyager, only Kim was meant to be under 25 (Kes would count too, but not on the bridge). I don't think the ages of the TOS characters were ever established - it's plausible that Chekov was meant to be under 25, though we don't know for certain. The fact remains that in the vast majority of ships we've seen, there has been 0-1 people under 25 on the bridge at any time.

On the other hand, after the Dominion War, it's possible that Starfleet may have started relying more on junior officers, particularly if they wanted to have security officers posted in key rooms aboard starships. There were a fair number of junior officers aboard the Stargazer IIRC -- if you've just got two or three ensigns or j.g. lieutenants on every bridge and main engineering room, maybe serving as security guards, then I could see the Borg seizing control pretty fast.

And honestly even if you don't and there aren't that may ensigns on the bridges, given the chaos of the ships' internal systems all going down simultaneous with every junior officer going Borg within 30 seconds, I can still plausibly see them taking their ships pretty fast.

I'm sure exactly as many will survive as future stories need, but the fact remains this is an unforced error on the part of the showrunners - to imply this is all Starfleet ships everywhere.

No, it's really not. Again, between every ship's computer systems being hacked by the Borg and the chaos of every junior officer going Borg in less than a minute, I think it is extremely plausible that they would seize control of the ships even if they don't manage to decapitate the entire officer corps.
 
Well, yeah, but just because you can be a junior officer at 23 does not make it the median age.

I agree with you on this point, in the future where everyone lives longer I could see kids staying in school longer. I'm not sure if it's ever been mentioned but I could easily see Starfleet Academy being an 8 year program where people graduate in their late twenties. I would also think newly minted officers would be mostly be on the lower decks, not on the bridge.
 
On the other hand, after the Dominion War, it's possible that Starfleet may have started relying more on junior officers, particularly if they wanted to have security officers posted in key rooms aboard starships. There were a fair number of junior officers aboard the Stargazer IIRC -- if you've just got two or three ensigns or j.g. lieutenants on every bridge and main engineering room, maybe serving as security guards, then I could see the Borg seizing control pretty fast.

And honestly even if you don't and there aren't that may ensigns on the bridges, given the chaos of the ships' internal systems all going down simultaneous with every junior officer going Borg within 30 seconds, I can still plausibly see them taking their ships pretty fast.

This is plausible, except for one thing - I don't think that it's normal for Starfleet personnel to have a phaser on them at all times. Sure, they all seem to have phasers exactly when it's plot/drama convenient here, but there's been no past evidence (particularly considering the lack of pockets) that officers are routinely chilling on the bridge (or engineering, in the lounge, etc.) with a phaser at their hip.

Using real-world logic, I would think that any assimilated personnel would attempt to physically overpower older crew on the bridge, but they'd need to wait a few minutes for armed personnel (like security) to arrive with weapons.

Edit: If you hold to "Starfleet is space Navy"...well, regular naval officers are not armed while on duty! Unless they have special roles like being a SEAL or something.
 
On Voyager, only Kim was meant to be under 25 (Kes would count too, but not on the bridge).

25 isn’t a universal hard-and-fast figure, it’s an approximation of when humans would become immune to the gene-editing. Kes would probably be immune by mid-season 2 if Ocampa develop exactly like humans but ten times faster. Klingons would probably become immune younger, Vulcans would probably be susceptible for longer.
 
Which, even if it happens, doesn't undo Star Trek: Legacy, as I presume Matalas has a lot of DS9 and VOY characters to kill off yet.

This made me lol, thanks.

Using real-world logic, I would think that any assimilated personnel would attempt to physically overpower older crew on the bridge, but they'd need to wait a few minutes for armed personnel (like security) to arrive with weapons.

Yeah, I almost feel like a few flashes of the chaos in the fleet would have helped my suspension of disbelief. Certainly a time/cost thing but just leaves me to wonder how the other ships managed to turnover so fast. Or having more ships, like Excelsior, break away and try to warp out and regroup or shoot their way out. I think I'll get over this quickly but it just didn't feel suitably ... epic? Even the radio chatter at the Battle of Sector 001 in ST:FC hit me harder.

But! I also suspect what I'm craving will be delivered early next week.

Riker wanders over to check out the toilet door!

THANKY YOU! This totally caught me... I was like ... is he looking at the head?
 
This is plausible, except for one thing - I don't think that it's normal for Starfleet personnel to have a phaser on them at all times.

Fair point, but I'm not convinced it's as unusual post-Dominion War as it was before.

Sure, they all seem to have phasers exactly when it's plot/drama convenient here, but there's been no past evidence (particularly considering the lack of pockets) that officers are routinely chilling on the bridge (or engineering, in the lounge, etc.) with a phaser at their hip.

Using real-world logic, I would think that any assimilated personnel would attempt to physically overpower older crew on the bridge, but they'd need to wait a few minutes for armed personnel (like security) to arrive with weapons.

Probably -- although bear in mind a large percentage of security officers are probably Borgified immediately. Even so, I still don't think it's implausible for Borgified young officers all acting in coordination with one-another to be able to seize control of their bridges and key systems very quickly. BUT, I would assume that none of them control every square inch aboard their ships, and that thus all of those ships are hosting internal battles with unaffected officers trying to retake control.
 
Next week, as Jack struggles to Juratize the remaining Bad Borg, the camera swivels to reveal the real face of the so-called "Borg Queen"...

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Did anyone else find it amusing how they turned the lights on on the D's bridge? It came on dark then went full on 1987 mode by the end.
 
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