• Welcome! The TrekBBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans.
    If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x09 - "Võx"

Engage!


  • Total voters
    357
She's died twice already, three if you count off-screen shenanigans in BoBW. Maybe they'll finally explain how that works.
Don't worry, they won't.

Creating a Borg Queen, while understandable in terms of wanting to show their origins, which the franchise still hasn't, is perhaps one of the stupidest things the showrunners did. Explore escaped/rescued Borg? Sure, makes sense. But take away the collective part by having it be run by some sexy machine woman? I mean, she's sexy...
 
  • Like
Reactions: kkt
Everything up until the reaction on Jean-Lucs face when he saw his "old flame" was an absolute abortion.
As much as I adore Alice Krige, this is screwing with canon big time.

That whole sequence on the bridge of the D completely melted my heart, like a true back in time moment.

Worf still hilarious.

The field demotion works for me as hearing them say Captain again, truly fills me with joy! Even Commodore LaForge effectively bowing down.

That little River monologue was just perfection, didn't miss a fucking beat.

The only reason this gets an 8 on here but a 10 in my heart is the end sequence.

Episodes 1-6 were fantastic but 7-9 has really let this down.

I sincerely hope and pray for Treks sake, the final episode is a combination of the wonder and awe 1-6 gave us.
 
Usually wide open eyes like Shaw’s mean the character is dead.
PICARD: Lutan, we can provide you with records of her death and how Doctor Crusher brought her back.

RALPH: I'm here, aren't I? I should be dead but I'm not.

CRUSHER: I'll be able to resuscitate her, Will, as long as it's not more than thirty minutes.

SEVEN: We are capable of reactivating drones as much as seventy three hours after what you would call death.
 
Yeah...but Akiva Goldsman was the main showrunner. Matalas departed early to work on season 3. He had nothing to do with the season finale.
I'm not as down on Seasons 1 and 2 (particularly 2) as much as other people. The foundation of everything is that Patrick Stewart didn't want to do a TNG reunion show, particularly for Season 1. We got Season 3 as is because, it being the last ride, he relented.
But that being said, the contrast between 1/2 and 3 is the difference between getting two randos doing Star Trek and an actual Trek guy.

Like who the fuck is Michael Chabon? He wrote some fucking book? Who gives a fuck. Sure he's a Trek fan... a casual Trek fan. The JJ Abrams kind that is a little embarrassed by Trek being Trek which is why Season 1 is so differentff. His involvement in Season 1 really seems like he opted to do the show to slap a line on his resume to try and move up in Hollywood.

Akiva Goldsman is actually the real deal as a writer for Hollywood with a lot of great work under him, and unlike Chabon, put a lot more "Trek" in Season 2. Not at all surprising really, because his prior work showed him as someone who does study and utilize the "lore" of the worlds he's writing in (Transformers, Dark Tower, Batman). But he apparently got overwhelmed in Season 2 with Trek lore, which is when Matalas was brought in. Again, a non-Trek guy got lost.

Finally for S3, they bring on a Trek guy in Matalas, who righted the ship, because he - and by his own mouth David Blass - get Trek. All Trek is a period piece about the future, with rules, a history and design language. If you aren't willing to follow that, why do Trek? Everytime some Jabroni tries, it blows up in their face.

Hopefully Paramount learned its lesson. The Berman era happened because Rick Berman, for all his faults, assembled a team that stuck together for 18 years and produced 4 shows and 5 movies (if you count TUC). That created a consistency that has only been matched in the history of film by Marvel in the MCU, and more recently in Star Wars in the Rogue One-Mandalorian era (largely again,because of two people; Dave Filoni and Jon Favreau). That's YEARS after the Berman era.

Trek is finally on good footing with Strange New Worlds, Prodigy, LD and Picard Season 3. Discovery Season 3 and 4 were vast improvements and I have high hopes for 5, but Discovery's Season 1 and 2 production issues and changes in direction make it a damaged show in an enduring sense. Hopefully, Paramount knows that if they want to do Trek well, they need Trek people working on Trek, and cultivating the next creative talent who will stick with the franchise for years.We can call it the MCU/Star Wars model, but really, it's the Rick Berman model. And it works.
 
For myself, the Borg Queen is software and what we see, the female form, is the hardware holding that software. If one queen dies, the software is transmitted to a new form and, viola, a new queen.
Makes sense. We did see a transfer of her consciousness in Season 2. Guess we just have to assume such things have happened before... off screen.
 
But that being said, the contrast between 1/2 and 3 is the difference between getting two randos doing Star Trek and an actual Trek guy.

Like who the fuck is Michael Chabon? He wrote some fucking book? Who gives a fuck. Sure he's a Trek fan... a casual Trek fan. The JJ Abrams kind that is a little embarrassed by Trek being Trek which is why Season 1 is so differentff. His involvement in Season 1 really seems like he opted to do the show to slap a line on his resume to try and move up in Hollywood.

Akiva Goldsman is actually the real deal as a writer for Hollywood with a lot of great work under him, and unlike Chabon, put a lot more "Trek" in Season 2. Not at all surprising really, because his prior work showed him as someone who does study and utilize the "lore" of the worlds he's writing in (Transformers, Dark Tower, Batman). But he apparently got overwhelmed in Season 2 with Trek lore, which is when Matalas was brought in. Again, a non-Trek guy got lost.

Finally for S3, they bring on a Trek guy in Matalas, who righted the ship, because he - and by his own mouth David Blass - get Trek. All Trek is a period piece about the future, with rules, a history and design language. If you aren't willing to follow that, why do Trek? Everytime some Jabroni tries, it blows up in their face.

Hopefully Paramount learned its lesson. The Berman era happened because Rick Berman, for all his faults, assembled a team that stuck together for 18 years and produced 4 shows and 5 movies (if you count TUC). That created a consistency that has only been matched in the history of film by Marvel in the MCU, and more recently in Star Wars in the Rogue One-Mandalorian era (largely again,because of two people; Dave Filoni and Jon Favreau). That's YEARS after the Berman era.

Trek is finally on good footing with Strange New Worlds, Prodigy, LD and Picard Season 3. Discovery Season 3 and 4 were vast improvements and I have high hopes for 5, but Discovery's Season 1 and 2 production issues and changes in direction make it a damaged show in an enduring sense. Hopefully, Paramount knows that if they want to do Trek well, they need Trek people working on Trek, and cultivating the next creative talent who will stick with the franchise for years.We can call it the MCU/Star Wars model, but really, it's the Rick Berman model. And it works.

Oh how I wish this board had a dislike button
 
it’s clear the Borg Queen is more so a transitive consciousness able to be passed from host to host
More like a "Administrative AI" that controls every single Drone / Computer in the network.

For myself, the Borg Queen is software and what we see, the female form, is the hardware holding that software. If one queen dies, the software is transmitted to a new form and, viola, a new queen.
I don't think the Borg Queen is even that.

The Borg Queen is like a local Main Server, giving Job/Operations to every Drone / PC in the local network.

There's a core AI that runs the entire Borg that isn't really visible to the human eye.
 
True. And one could say that it would ruin the emotional impact of the Seven/Shaw scene, but since they keep resurrecting Data, they obviously don't think it's all that bad.
Or the whole Spock not really being dead thing. As many have said already, nobody ever really dies in Star Trek. Nobody really important anyway. Until they serve a larger plot, that is.
 
Loved it. Only Nit was killing Shaw and having Seven and Raffi stay behind for future plot reasons and to keep them off the D. I get it, but FFS they could have waited 30 seconds for him to die, or take him on the shuttle, or decide to keep someone back to help the LaForges. Whatever. It is minor. I think overall it was a good way to tie in all these past TNG threads.

Best episode of the Season after 2 or 3 lesser ones. I think holding off on the reveal worked too. It made us all speculate on all the ridiculous non Borg theories.

I am expecting a relatively lame technobabble solution next week. They probably should have just rolled with ep10 now because anything not great would be largely ignored after those first 45 minutes.

So what is the solution? Technobabble to reduce the level of initial threat that makes the Borg set up a more extreme threat only to have Jack break out of the hive mind trance and put an end to the Borg Queen. Maybe he communicates with Seven. Can NuPicard still receive Borg communications? Are the Jurati Borg going to show up to help?

I am still not sure what the fuck was going through anyone's heads with Season 1 and 2. Was the basic plot of Season 2 already decided when Matalas took over? This does not feel like the same show at all.
 
If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

Sign up / Register


Back
Top