Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x05 - "Imposters"

[fireproof78]

I just don't buy that, because Jean-Luc has been in plenty of situations with ersatz children whom he loved just as much as he loves Jack, without it compromising his tactical judgment.

I think this comes with too much emotional baggage in the moment. With due respect, I do not care if you buy it or not. This isn't just a child but a child from a failed relationship that he had hoped would work. With someone he had not seen in 20 years, and he is getting much older, time is running shorter. This time is more personal, more valuable, and more difficult.

 

[Mr Awe]

So far, S3 is the best written of the modern serialised Trek shows, with enough demonstrated skill that anything a bit janky that hasn’t been resolved has earned a ‘wait and see’ in completely the opposite way to DSC, in which I kept waiting, and when I saw, it was *still janky*.

^ This. I was going to write something similar but now I don't need to do so.

I'll add, and I've said this before, the single biggest improvement for Picard S3 over P S2 and Discovery s3 & 4 is the excellent serialized writing. I think both series has had good writers. They could write good individual episodes. But they really fell down on the serialization part, which diminished entire seasons.

(I actually called for them to ditch the serialized format because of that, and then came SNW.)

But those problems all seem fixed with this season of Picard! Enjoying it immensely and without reservations!

 

[Mr Awe]

And, for the love of the Great Bird, can we PLEASE stop using terms like "memberberries" as a perjorative?

Agreed. It's childish.

 

[Mr Awe]

Create a good story and characters first.

Season 3 feels like it can do no wrong and I'm curious to watch this unfold. I'm not invested in Season 3 because Jack is dumb. The fan effervescence though is more dramatically compelling.

I'm loving the characters and story so far this season. Seems like they did create those first and foremost. Absolutely loving it.

 

[fireproof78]

I'm loving the characters and story so far this season. Seems like they did create those first and foremost. Absolutely loving it.

Glad you are.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Bear in mind though that DS9's "Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges" explicitly establishes that the Federation Charter bans the UFP from interfering in the internal affairs of foreign cultures, so there's still a non-interference law at play even at the Federation government level.

Two worlds writing a treaty together is two worlds formally agreeing on how they agree to respectfully interfere with each other.

Killing dozens of people without permission, to rig an election is illegally interfering in the internal affairs of a sovereign power.

Treaties are how every country on the planet initially negotiate with one another in the real world.

 

[Santa Kang]

Here's a question: Jean-Luc was an admiral from at least 2381 to 2385, and then again from 2399 to 2401. Why was he unaware that Ro had returned to Starfleet and been assigned to Starfleet Intelligence?

Need to know basis. JL didn't need to know,

 

[Dukhat]

Need to know basis. JL didn't need to know,

Or just that continuity isn't these writers' strong suit. You know, like between Picard saying Starfleet has been his only family, and saying that Starfleet sucks and he wants nothing to do with them.

 

[fireproof78]

It aren't that hard to imagine Picard playing to the audience, despite his personal pain from feeling betrayed by Starfleet.

 

[Lord Garth]

I gave up on the SNW threads because people couldn't just say "it's very good" it was always "way better than STD" People get what they want but still can't put the hate watching aside.

Yeah, I agree. I have my own reasons for why I don't usually post in the SNW Forum (and I keep it to a minimum whenever I do), but that crap certainly doesn't help.

 

[The Master of Tarquin Hill]

Or just that continuity isn't these writers' strong suit. You know, like between Picard saying Starfleet has been his only family, and saying that Starfleet sucks and he wants nothing to do with them.

Uhh, have you been in a family?

 

[137th Gebirg]

It is certainly a mixed bag.

Of mixed nuts.

 

[Crewman6]

It’s interesting that the 25th Century Starfleet is regarding the earlier period as “cowboy” when the 24th century Starfleet already regarded the 23rd century counterparts as “cowboy”. I think the 25th century Starfleet must think the 23rd century Starfleet as “barbaric”? And 25th century Starfleet is incredibly boring! Or it’s all just tired Star Trek troupe all over again?

It's a pretty ridiculous story element to say that modern Starfleet officers think Picard (and Riker) were reckless cowboys. Particularly when Picard was often criticized by fans (at least in the early seasons) for being too staid and diplomatic and boring.

But I just can't buy that Picard, the consummate diplomat and intellectual, has somehow earned a reputation for being a rootin', tootin' reckless loose cannon because he happened to be in the occasional ship battle.

 

[Crewman6]

Well Terry Matallis isn't the TNG Cannon Guru he thinks he is. Shaw also brings up the temporal anomaly in the devron system from TNG S7 All Good Things, but at the end of the episode itself, John-Luc makes a log entry stating that nothing in the reality he experienced happened in the 'real world'. He said he was the only one with any memory of what happened in any of the three Q created timelines..

There's also the fact that on DS9 Odo informed everyone that changelings perfectly mimic the objects that they are in at the time. "If you scan me when I'm a rock, you'll read a rock."

In DS9 S3 The Adversary, Sisko & Co find out that an ambassador who sent them on a mission is in fact a changeling; and Dr Bashir States that when he did a medical scan of that ambassador, the Ambassador showed as completely human.

So yeah changelings being able to fool Federation scanners is nothing new. That said maintaining their last form after death is.

This is exactly what I was saying earlier in the week and got some hilarious responses to it. Yup, that is a major goof about changelings and one that was easily avoidable. Also incredibly stupid, too, if you think about it for five seconds. There's no way you'd be able to infiltrate an ice cream stand in the 24th Century if your masquerade was only surface-level, let alone the highest levels of the UFP and Romulan and Klingon Empires.

Good call on the "All Good Things" business, too.

The show loves its references, but gets things wrong about 50% of the time. It's not a good look.

 

[Orac Zen]

I still don’t know why Seven broke up with Chakotay

Because she very quickly realised that dating someone with a miniscule fraction of the personality and animation of a house brick was a complete and utter waste of her time. What more need be said about it? And 20-plus years later, what / why the hell does it matter?

 

[Ronin'sCreamyCandle]

I feel the longer Seven is away from her Borg history the more generic a character she becomes. Shaw is far more interesting than Seven in this season. She was boring this episode. I also was saddened that Vadic was not given a scene in this episode.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Because she very quickly realised that dating someone with a miniscule fraction of the personality and animation of a house brick was a complete and utter waste of her time. What more need be said about it? And 20-plus years later, what / why the hell does it matter?

Until Picard, we had no choice but to believe that they were still together for 20 years, happily, and if anyone said any different, they were bitter twisted #ucks who do not believe in love.

 

[Ronin'sCreamyCandle]

Until Picard, we had no choice but to believe that they were still together for 20 years, happily, and if anyone said any different, they were bitter twisted #ucks who do not believe in love.

My wife felt Chakotay was taking advantage of Seven as she experimented with dating. So she is glad they broke up.

 

[Dukhat]

Uhh, have you been in a family?

That was not at all the context of the discussion.

 

[Guy Gardener]

My wife felt Chakotay was taking advantage of Seven as she experimented with dating. So she is glad they broke up.

You know she may have never have dated Flesh and Blood Chakotay?