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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x05 - "Imposters"

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Orac Zen said:
Because she very quickly realised that dating someone with a miniscule fraction of the personality and animation of a house brick was a complete and utter waste of her time. What more need be said about it? And 20-plus years later, what / why the hell does it matter?
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Because Trek. Two main characters. Picard and Beverly never really nailed the landing on screen, and half this season is about that time they did when we weren’t looking and the results thereof. It’s not immersion breaking, but we got flashbacks for Rios explaining how he went from Delta-wearing SF boy to Outer Rim Smuggler. All I was saying was it was inconsistent, whereas this season, the writing has been pretty consistent in dealing with things.
I don’t dislike s1 — there’s some ‘things that make you go huh’ but nothing broken, just wobbly. So far s3 is pretty solid.
My comparisons are just that, comparisons, not a knock one down to build one up. (I prefer some of the pacing in the opening of s1 to s3, and Dahj/Soji is more interesting than Jack Crusher, despite being very very similar character functions)
 
Leaving aside the fact that Chuckles is one of the very few Trek characters I dislike (which seems a weird word to use about fictional people, but anyway), I genuinely don't see the relevance of Seven and him breaking up. People break up with each other after two dates all the time, and it was over 20 years ago. Chuckles isn't in this series (thank God - shame he was in Voyager). Beverly and Picard are. They're relevant to this series. Chuckles isn't. I don't see the point of making even a tiny mountain out of this irrelevant molehill.
 
Orac Zen said:
Leaving aside the fact that Chuckles is one of the very few Trek characters I dislike (which seems a weird word to use about fictional people, but anyway), I genuinely don't see the relevance of Seven and him breaking up. People break up with each other after two dates all the time, and it was over 20 years ago. Chuckles isn't in this series (thank God - shame he was in Voyager). Beverly and Picard are. They're relevant to this series. Chuckles isn't. I don't see the point of making even a tiny mountain out of this irrelevant molehill.
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I am not, at the time I was just using it as an example of the kind of thing we were getting for other characters, or might expect to get, and using it as a point of comparison.
We didn’t need to know much about why Rios left Starfleet. We didn’t even need to know that he *was* in Starfleet. It was good that he was, and what we got worked, but we got more for a new character than we did for a returning one. In comparison, Seven seems underdone in Picard.

When bringing back established (or as we call them now, legacy) characters, part of the reason is to appeal to fans of that character/series, and people want to know what they’ve been doing. Ro Laren is the Seven of TNG, and we got a monologue with what she did, what she’s been doing, what she’s going to do now as a result — it’s was enough for one episode, but if she had stayed longer we would have eventually needed a little more to bed the character back in. Seven has been here for three series, is from an entirely different series to TNG, and could stand a little more fleshing out for the between years.

I am not actually fussed about 7/Chakotay (though do think it makes way more sense than the general opinion, even if J/Chakotay also makes sense, and everyone was really after J/7… maybe we should have just got J/7/Chakotay in canon and made heads explode) just about it as an example of something that is typically followed up on but wasn’t.
In comparison to s3 s1 seems a little soft at the edges.

Though s1 mystery child was better than s3 mystery child so far, but I may have bias.

This is not a fan saying ‘why don’t I haz resolution to the onscreen ship’ this is a fan, who is also a fan of storytelling, saying ‘that could have been handled better, this series seems to now be handling such things better’.

The only relationships they better not screw with if/when they come back is Tom/Bells, Dax/Bashir, Kira/Odo, and the O’Briens. ;)
 
Orac Zen said:
Leaving aside the fact that Chuckles is one of the very few Trek characters I dislike (which seems a weird word to use about fictional people, but anyway), I genuinely don't see the relevance of Seven and him breaking up. People break up with each other after two dates all the time, and it was over 20 years ago. Chuckles isn't in this series (thank God - shame he was in Voyager). Beverly and Picard are. They're relevant to this series. Chuckles isn't. I don't see the point of making even a tiny mountain out of this irrelevant molehill.
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In the original timeline, the Admiral Janeway Timeline, Seven died in his arms and then years later, he died of a broken heart because life without her is like a broken pencil. That's true love to the death. That's "The Note Book" Love.

Why wouldn't Seven want to open up her heart and let all that love pour in, on the new timeline, where they both get to live?

Um...

Probably because he is almost certainly going to die in next season of Star Trek Prodigy... In Admiral Janeway's arms?

cooleddie74 said:
Yeah, Worf never mentions his brief romantic relationship with Troi or vice versa. We don't need Seven to mention Chakotay. He's a friend but their romance is now 23 years in the past and no longer a factor in her life.
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In the Novel Imzadi II, it starts when a distraught Worf is screaming ragefully about the death of his wife Jadzia, he's going "this is the worst, this feels bad, this feels so awful I really don't know how I ever thought I had feelings for Deanna Troi."

"Seriously?"

"Jesus."

"Troi... "

"What #uck?"

"Am I dim?"
 
Guy Gardener said:
In the original timeline, the Admiral Janeway Timeline, Seven died in his arms and then years later, he died of a broken heart because life without her is like a broken pencil. That's true love to the death. That's "The Note Book" Love.

Why wouldn't Seven want to open up her heart and let all that love pour in, on the new timeline, where they both get to live?

Um...

Probably because he is almost certainly going to die in next season of Star Trek Prodigy... In Admiral Janeway's arms?


In the Novel Imzadi II, it starts when a distraught Worf is screaming ragefully about the death of his wife Jadzia, he's going "this is the worst, this feels bad, this feels so awful I really don't know how I ever thought I had feelings for Deanna Troi."

"Seriously?"

"Jesus."

"Troi... "

"What #uck?"

"Am I dim?"
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Imzadi II is weird. And, as a bonus, takes place on the same exact day as one of the Shatnerverse novels I think.
 
Guy Gardener said:
Tom was on Lower Decks.

Did he mention his wife?
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Good question. He did in STO when he appeared there, not least because their daughter was present.
I’ll be honest, I was more invested in whether Boimler would get his plate to the bridge. It predates ‘no one buys the fat one’ product placement, and I am sure it brought succour to every one of us who bought those plates in the nineties, and never até off them.
(I didn’t. Too expensive man, and only old people have plates on the wall. I now have plates on the wall damnit. Not my plates, but I had to hang the things… )
 
Ronin'sCreamyCandle said:
I feel the longer Seven is away from her Borg history the more generic a character she becomes. Shaw is far more interesting than Seven in this season. She was boring this episode. I also was saddened that Vadic was not given a scene in this episode.
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On the other hand, I feel like Jeri has finally been allowed to use "Seven voice" this season consistently. In Season 1 they directed her explicitly to not use the voice, and she only slipped into it occasionally in Season 2.
 
Guy Gardener said:
Until Picard, we had no choice but to believe that they were still together for 20 years, happily, and if anyone said any different, they were bitter twisted #ucks who do not believe in love.
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IDK about that. If we go by the events Picard dreamed in TNG S7 All Good Things, one could infer that maybe in their 'real world' they got married; but also got divorced. We could also infer that most likely, they had no children of their own.
 
Tuskin38 said:
He wasn't going to talk down Starfleet in front of a bunch of young faces. He's anger was with the higher ups.
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So you’re saying Picard was acting and just full of crap, both to the cadets and to Jack? Because that was certainly not the context of that scene. Nor did Picard explain to Jack after the fact that he was just acting and in reality was pissed off at Starfleet.
 
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Noname Given said:
IDK about that. If we go by the events Picard dreamed in TNG S7 All Good Things, one could infer that maybe in their 'real world' they got married; but also got divorced. We could also infer that most likely, they had no children of their own.
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And Jake Sisko, alone in the Bayou, snapped back time so that daddy never died in the Firecaves.
 
Because in an argument with two distinct sides, some folks will still find a way to play 3 dimensional chess invoke 4 sides, and take a 5th side....
 
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