Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x04 - "No Win Scenario"

[Divinity Davey]

Just watched the episode again on P+.
The overall lighting is much brighter.
So They have adjusted it.

(compared to the image earlier in this thread)
NOW

EARLIER

 

[Tuskin38]

16 years they say? Which episodes are from 2007?

Oops, I meant 18.

hen why did he not make sure that the CGI gelatinous state of this species was not more lovingly replicated

Maybe he didn't like the original FX?

 

[TrekMD]

This was an amazing episode! I have to watch it again to absorb all of it. Loved the character moments. How the nebula story was concluded, and all the character interactions. This season is batting a home run so far.

 

[TerryTrek]

"Forget all that sh*t on the Stargazer, the real Borg are still out there.." - Shaw

Subtle dig at Picard S2's finale.

 

[JoseNoodles]

9/10 maybe I'm buying into the hype.

The rift between Riker and Picard was closed too soon, but maybe Riker didn't want die having argued with his best friend. I don't know about Picard being right though.

Nice scenes between Picard and his son. We see how words can hurt, even when we don't realize it.

I'm sympathize with Shaw, but he's still an asshole. Like Jack wouldn't know about Locutus.

So Vadic has this Changeling communicator for a hand. I don't think she's a full Changeling. I wonder if that's Scary (Future?) Guy's true form.

Much like TWOK, there is the juxtaposition of life with death. Titan dying inside a nest filled with baby space jellys waiting to be born. Picard and Riker trying to connect with family in the face of imminent death.

So is the Changeling dead? Can somebody try to capture one alive so we can figure out what's going on?

"Forget all that sh*t on the Stargazer, the real Borg are still out there.." - Shaw

Subtle dig at Picard S2's finale.

What's funny is that nobody at the end of Season 2 claimed the real Borg were dead.

 

[drt]

Canonically, the pics were blurry in episode footage last season. Clear only in publicity pics and the “tour of 10 Forward Street bar” in the premiere fan event.

The Therin and Grol two-shot (both me) was clearly seen on the wall in last week’s episode, and the framed pic at an angle, but I understand the framed Therin is in full clarity this week!

Waiting for the episode to drop!

It's super prominent right between Jack and Picard.

I was like, "I know that guy from the interwebz!" lol

 

[Christmas Canon Spock]

"Forget all that sh*t on the Stargazer, the real Borg are still out there.." - Shaw

Subtle dig at Picard S2's finale.

Eh, no.

Possible dig at First Contact or Endgame

 

[nic3636]

"Forget all that sh*t on the Stargazer, the real Borg are still out there.." - Shaw

Subtle dig at Picard S2's finale.

Forget all that sh*t on the Stargazer? No problem, I did that immediately after watching that train wreck

 

[TRON JA307020]

I think that a changeling looking like a swirl of liquid flesh, bone and sinew was the change to the shapeshifting effect that I didnt know I needed. It is definetly more disturbing and unsettling to see that vs. some brownish gelatinous blob as in DS9.

Yeah. The effect on ds9 looked cheap even when it first premiered. It was a cheap cgi effect and never looked good. I like this new effect.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Forget all that sh*t on the Stargazer? No problem, I did that immediately after watching that train wreck

Yeah it was a bad season. Glad Rios is gone.

 

[Kraig]

Unless I miss something it also didn't really go anywhere. Seven tries to find his bucket, they find it, the lab is understaffed to run a scan, the changeling attacks and then the whole business of looking for him via scan is dropped, not to mention the changeling wasn't immediately vaporized on the spot (they went down fast enough in the season premiere) leading to the plot being dragged out just for the La Forgery scene.

Dragging out the plot allows Seven to tell the CO that LaForge calls her Commander Seven as a sign of respect. With the implication that the XO that just saved the CO's life from the changeling doesn't respect his XO and call her by her preferred name (probably because of his survivor's guilt & hatred of Borg and ex-Borg).

 

[Dukhat]

Dragging out the plot allows Seven to tell the CO that LaForge calls her Commander Seven as a sign of respect. With the implication that the XO that just saved the CO's life from the changeling doesn't respect his XO and call her by her preferred name (probably because of his survivor's guilt & hatred of Borg and ex-Borg).

It still makes Seven look stupid. Since she tells us that she ordered that no one from the bridge was supposed to leave, she should have vaporized La Forgery on the spot, knowing it was the Changeling. But she couldn't, because plot exposition.

 

[Santa Kang]

Also, I refuse to believe pot still exists in the future. This is not The Orville.

Why would pot disappear? They still have beer, wine and hard liquor aka "Booze". Pot in the 21st Century is alreadymoving into that legal high territory.

Life support has its own deck (?)

I took it to mean "life pod deck." Unless you are talking about a different line.

I don’t know if I believe Picard would call his kid Jack. I think he would Honor his brother or nephew with that.

Why not?

Jack Crusher being Picard's Academy friend is a bit of a retcon, meaning Jack at the youngest would've been born in 2308 (unless he's like Kelvin Chekov in which case he'd be younger), meaning Jack was 16 years older than Beverly. And even this is assuming Picard was hanging around students 3 years his junior for some reason. Nothing outright contradicts this but there was no indication Picard knew Jack that young before, for example in Tapestry when Q takes him back to his ensign days, Jack isn't even mentioned.

That's how these things work. New information means you "recalculate".

Picard's son Jack has to at most be 21. We know it's still before April in 2401 and even if Picard and Beverly got into bed right after Nemesis in 2379, Jack would be born at earliest in late 2379, meaning he can't be older than 21 in Picard Season 3 despite Picard guessing his age as 23/24. This also means that in the 2396 flashback, Jack somehow got into the Ten Forward bar despite being 16.

They literally say he's 23-24, so that's what he is. Doesn't matter if the math doesn't work. Do we know that Ten Forward has any age restriction?

 

[DEWLine]

"Give me a reason to let you live. Doesn't have to be a great one. Just has to be good enough..."

 

[Santa Kang]

Good bottle episode imo. Two nitpicks - if the son is supposed to be 23 the actor certainly does not look it lmao. Second the pot cannabis line was really awkward and felt forced.

I'd suggest a drinking game about every time someone mention's the actor's age, but no one has that strong of a liver.

What the hell was that thing about Vadic’s hand? What was that thing she was talking to? So far that’s the only intriguing thing about her. She’s been boring so far.

Seems to be a way for Changelings to communicate.

Remember how in First Contact Geordi didn't know that "leak" was slang for urination?

Yes it's a joke they love to use (especially in time travel stories) while ignoring all the times the characters understand and use slang themselves.

I am really wondering about the sickly-looking changelings. Are they clones?

I think they are just solid for too long.

 

[1001001]

That’s probably my favorite episode of the whole series.

+1 for “I think we should boldly get the hell out of here.”

10

 

[Christmas Canon Spock]

Yes it's a joke they love to use (especially in time travel stories) while ignoring all the times the characters understand and use slang themselves.

Or Geordi misunderstood the phrasing and took a slang term literally, as even some modern humans too.

Not anyone here, mind you, but people do...some where.

 

[Tosk]

This also means that in the 2396 flashback, Jack somehow got into the Ten Forward bar despite being 16.

"Oh, you don't like a mid-30's guy playing an early-20s guy? How about him playing a sixteen year old?!"

 

[Skywalker]

16 year olds in the UK can go into pubs (while accompanied by an adult, I think) and have a drink today. I doubt Los Angeles will be following US drinking laws by the 2390s.

 

[ToddCam]

The idea that these changelings are kind of crap cheap clones appeals to me, as it also would explain why the stupid Foster changeling tried to kill Jack when the whole point of the mission is to capture Jack.

Is the Foster changeling the guy who didn't like the mini Enterprise in the bar, so snuck on board? Why would a changeling even be on Titan if it was not part of its original mission profile?