Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x04 - "No Win Scenario"

[Noname Given]

My only problem with that explanation – how would Shaw know that? He's telling Seven like it's common knowledge.

IDK - after 3 years of a VERY NASTY and devasting war (that honestly makes Wolf 359 pale in comparison); I would think Starfleet would disseminate every bit of info they had about the Founders/Changelings (their know habits, strengths and known weaknesses) to the troops <--- And Shaw was definitely IN Star Fleet and served during the Dominion War.

 

[Quinton]

If Terry can get a picture of a *real* Changeling/Founder with authentic makeup in to the episode, as well as an original DS9 Bajoran bucket prop, then why did he not make sure that the CGI gelatinous state of this species was not more lovingly replicated or that the bucket was represented properly? Terry paid particular care when recreating the Ferengi, Trill and Klingons as compared to Disco. I think that the Founders are infected with something which is making them look more grotesque than usual. I have mentioned this in another thread. I also think that Terry Matalas killed Odo in his story, perhaps Odo became infected with Conspiracy parasites like he did in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country. In that story it was a Human disguised as a Klingon, not a Changeling. But there is a pattern in the deception… though *coincidentally* there is also a Changeling called Marta in VI who is more like these Changelings in Picard season 3…

Please read this for context:

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Odo's_bucket

I promise you this did not happen.

 

[valkyrie013]

Pretty good, though I'm kinda meh on Rikers portrayal.. He'd have more balls to do the crazy thing even with som ptsd from Thad being dredged up. He knew power was dying and help was Not coming. Hed go with an un Orthodox plan.
Nice to see Shaw get some time. Though he's okay, and Still not on the bridge.

 

[Amaris]

1. This one was so very plodding.
2. What the fuck is going on? Are we heading into the Upside Down?
3. Did you know my father, Geordi LaForge, is the greatest engineer in all of Starfleet?

Oof.

 

[Jedi Marso]

Controversial Opinion Time: I've loved TWOK for over 30 years. But now I have to say I like Picard/Beverly/Jack family arc better than the Kirk/Carol/David family arc. We're spending more time with it, we're getting to delve deeper into it, and we know all the characters better. It also has more twists.

Quite natural since we were barely introduced to David Marcus before he took a Klingon knife in the chest, ending that little family arc. Plus we never saw Carol Marcus before or after TWOK, while Beverly has been a staple character since the 90's, along with her halting romance with JL.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Pretty good, though I'm kinda meh on Rikers portrayal.. He'd have more balls to do the crazy thing even with som ptsd from Thad being dredged up. He knew power was dying and help was Not coming. Hed go with an un Orthodox plan.
Nice to see Shaw get some time. Though he's okay, and Still not on the bridge.

Yeah he younger Riker would have taken the risk right away and not had given in so easily. That's one thing I had a problem with. They had a solution and he knocked it down several times basically giving in to doom for everyone. Lol

 

[Lord Garth]

Quite natural since we were barely introduced to David Marcus before he took a Klingon knife in the chest, ending that little family arc. Plus we never saw Carol Marcus before or after TWOK, while Beverly has been a staple character since the 90's, along with her halting romance with JL.

Yeah, but I was bracing myself for the, "How the Hell can you say that?!?!!"

 

[Tarek71]

I think that a changeling looking like a swirl of liquid flesh, bone and sinew was the change to the shapeshifting effect that I didnt know I needed. It is definetly more disturbing and unsettling to see that vs. some brownish gelatinous blob as in DS9.

 

[cooleddie74]

It reminds me of, well, bloody vomit or cherry cobbler. Either way it is remarkably effective on the eye.

 

[TerryTrek]

Shaw and Seven have great chemistry. Of all the characters, Seven is at her most interesting when playing off of Shaw.

It's almost like McCoy and Spock, where McCoy is constantly grumpy and annoyed, and Spock is logical, composed and playing the straight man, while still throwing shade at McCoy.

It's a fun dynamic. Looking forward to more of it.

 

[jaime]

I think the idea that these are alpha quadrant changelings, still infected with S31’s virus, has some real possibility of being a true theory,

The writing neatly dealt with some threads — Shaw, Jack, The Trois. I am now wondering if Beverly, and Jack, are wrong… Picard, at least the one we know may not be the father. A changeling busy being Picard, and using his DNA might be though. And Jack doesn’t know. It would explain why they want him, and why he has a thing in his head (with a nice callback to FC) telling him to unite the branches. It’s his job to sort out the remaining changelings, and the great link… who knows, may even tie into the founder lookalikes from TNG.

Though if that is Odo as part of the link bossing Vadic around, they are either very desperate or his influence has waned.

 

[NCC-73515]

Why are they also not referring to Changelings as Founders? ‘Changeling’ was a racist term for the Founders, part of the solids xenophobia and prejudice which led to the Founders becoming dominioning isolationists.

These here are rebels that separated from the founders

The writers forgot that a bucket was an Odo thing, not a Founder thing, and even Odo himself gave it up after a while.

When he linked, he shared his experience. Other changelings saw no need to get a different container. Most of our cups and buckets all look the same as well.

 

[ToddCam]

Grief is a bitch. You think you’ve kicked it, comes back. Sometimes debilitatingly.

Just last night, I was unpacking from my recent move and found a couple of pairs of neatly folded underwear in a box full of electronics. I was like, why do I have these underwear in here? I'm not one to fold underwear really. And then I remembered that my mom, who lived with me when she was sick, had asked if she could fold my clothes for me a couple weeks before she died. When she was gone, I saw the two pairs left, and left them in a drawer, and when I moved I kept them together and unused and still folded. I have had to move twice since then, so had actually had a still packed box from a move ago. So I saw these, and was overwhelmed with raw grief as if I'd just lost her. I broke down crying and it's been on and off that way for me for the last day.

So yeah, grief comes at you randomly and intensely. I'll never understand why people think emotions always have a straight line that works in an entirely linear manner.

 

[Chensams]

I haven’t read anyone’s responses but will tomorrow. Each episode gets better. But I really, REALLY liked this one. I’m a father plus I have lost a couple of my best Trek friends over the years and Riker resonates with me. I get him. It absolutely doesn’t align with what we saw with Riker in season one but I’m good with it. I know, I KNOW it is very inconsistent with a season one but dammit I like what I’m seeing now. I’m enjoying Shaw too. I hope they continue his story.

 

[Amasov]

I could be wrong but this idea of changelings leaving residue seem invented for picard

It was. But, IMO, this is very minor. On Deep Space Nine, the blood screening technique was also how they built dramatic tension into the show. Could Picard have handled this in a manner more consistent with Deep Space Nine? Sure, but, it wasn't a huge issue for me. Finding the Changeling, while important, was the B plot.

But I've no doubt naysayers will use this as more ammo to prove how terrible Star Trek: Picard is.

 

[Amasov]

Why was there a poster for Frontier Day in the five years ago flashback scene in 10 Forward?

Because Frontier Day was celebrating its 245th birthday.

 

[bookworm8571]

I haven’t read anyone’s responses but will tomorrow. Each episode gets better. But I really, REALLY liked this one. I’m a father plus I have lost a couple of my best Trek friends over the years and Riker resonates with me. I get him. It absolutely doesn’t align with what we saw with Riker in season one but I’m good with it. I know, I KNOW it is very inconsistent with a season one but dammit I like what I’m seeing now. I’m enjoying Shaw too. I hope they continue his story.

It doesn’t strike me as at all odd that Riker acts one way in Season One as a father of a living child, still a young teenager, whom he adores and needs to provide stability for and another here as the starship captain losing himself in familiar work and adventure. Both are facades and a way to avoid dealing with his own grief and anger and fear, which must be overwhelming.

 

[CrellMoset]

It reminds me of, well, bloody vomit or cherry cobbler. Either way it is remarkably effective on the eye.

A certain podcast joked recently that the real reason they brought Cronenberg in to guest star in Disco was to use him as a consultant on the other shows, with the new changeling CGI being the most obvious manifestation of his body horror influence in nuTrek. Got a chuckle out of me.

 

[Dukhat]

Because Frontier Day was celebrating its 245th birthday.

I see that. I was under the impression that it was a centennial/semicentennial holiday.

 

[nic3636]

What an episode! I was not a fan of Picard S1 or S2, but this season has been strong and this episode was fantastic. The story was very well written, everyone had something to do and Picard, Riker, and Shaw all had consistent character arcs that fit very well into the episode. The plot was basically everyone coming together to solve a problem which couldn't be more Trekkian. Also, no Raffi was a nice bonus.

I loved the scene at the end when Jack asked Picard a question in Picard's flashback. Picard gave a response that everyone cheered but a few seconds later you can see the pain on Picard's face, because he lied. And a few seconds later Jack was gone, his mind made up about his father. So well done.

Also, Riker throwing an asteroid at the Shrike was awesome. Payback time!

The only thing I didn't like was how dark the sets were, but it's a minor gripe. 10 stars from me.