Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x04 - "No Win Scenario"

[Lord Garth]

Controversial Opinion Time: I've loved TWOK for over 30 years. But now I have to say I like Picard/Beverly/Jack family arc better than the Kirk/Carol/David family arc. We're spending more time with it, we're getting to delve deeper into it, and we know all the characters better. It also has more twists.

 

[firehawk12]

You're way overthinking it. This Changeling sleeps in a pot that looks like Odo's because everybody remembers Odo and, if he slept in a pot, all Changelings must sleep in that same kind of pot. The writers aren't looking past the familiar with this show.

It's the same sort of reason that Star Wars built an entire culture around the very specific designs and iconography of Boba Fett's outfit. (Helmet, armor, Mythosaur tattoo, etc.)

I just want to know who took a picture of Odo's pot and then decided to enter it into the Starfleet database.

Not every job in Starfleet is exploring strange new worlds...

 

[Tuskin38]

Bernd over at EAS is calling this episode prossibly the best live action Trek in 16 years, gave it a 8/10.
https://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/episodes/pic3.htm#nowinscenario

He hasn't been praising the season as the second coming, but it has been getting better numbers than previous. So far his rankings have been 6/5/7/8

Odo’s bucket was, and it was *his* bucket... not standard issue Dominion tech. The Founders do not have ‘buckets’. This bucket is also Bajoran in design, gifted to Odo by Mora Pol.

You're over thinking it. That wasn't Odo in the episode. They just gave him that bucket design for some silly reason.

 

[Noname Given]

Controversial Opinion Time: I've loved TWOK for over 30 years. But now I have to say I like Picard/Beverly/Jack family arc better than the Kirk/Carol/David family arc. We're spending more time with it, we're getting to delve deeper into it, and we know all the characters better. It also has more twists.

10 hours vs 3 hours. (If you count ST III:TSFS - David also died halfway though <--- and no not spoiler coding that, it's 39 years old now for christ's sake... )

 

[DarrenTR1970]

I think it's pretty straightforward - the Changelings/Founders share a group mind/consciousness.
They remember that Odo at one time needed a bucket to rest/regenerate in and that's carried over as some part of memory/reflex.
They don't need it, but it's a part of who they are. (A security blanket.)

 

[Reanok]

I give this episode a 10 it was a roller coaster of a ride. I'm glad we got Shaw's backstory being a Wolf 359 survivor and the post traumatic stress someone would have seeing Picard again after all those years. The mystery of hunting down the changeling saboteur was tense and the that suprise twists and turns was well done. Of how they tricked the changeling yowza! That was really clever plotting in this show. I liked the scenes with Jack and the mystery of his visions. And why do the changelings want him so desperately they'll take any risk to find him no matter what.I liked the alien squid babies they were interesting lifeforms. I like the borg were still dangerous and not to be trusted .And the scene with Vadic and the changeling head was super creepy I certainly wasn't expecting that at all. Nice to see Shaw and Seven talking about Odo and his bucket and another mention of ds9.I can't wait to see the rest of the season 3 shows.

 

[Verteron]

Three possible explanations for the bucket:

1) An inverted cone is the most comfortable shape for a resting Changeling, either biologically (because of the precise properties of their goo), or instinctually (a space with a large inside but small opening would surely feel safe for a creature that can fit through small gaps). Odo simply discovered this by trial and error

2) It's another Changeling racial memory, which we know he has a number of from the Great Link - including the location of the Omarian Nebula and the style of face his people wear when they're not trying to impersonate someone (unconsciously).

3) Changelings started using that bucket shape after Odo returned to The Great Link and shared his memories with them all. That would have been before the schism. Again it may be an instinctual thing, Odo shared his feeling of safety in his bucket to the whole of the Great Link, so other Changelings gain that same emotion when they go travelling.

It doesn't particularly bother me.

 

[StewMc]

I think it's pretty straightforward - the Changelings/Founders share a group mind/consciousness.
They remember that Odo at one time needed a bucket to rest/regenerate in and that's carried over as some part of memory/reflex.
They don't need it, but it's a part of who they are. (A security blanket.)

For anyone that is hung up on it, this is the best explanation. Better than “the changeling must have been Odo” certainly.

 

[Gepard]

My only problem with that explanation – how would Shaw know that? He's telling Seven like it's common knowledge.

 

[Yistaan]

My only problem with that explanation – how would Shaw know that? He's telling Seven like it's common knowledge.

It probably was, considering that Changeling paranoia at the height of the Dominion War was so rampant that civilian chef Joseph Sisko was telling everyone what he'd do if he were a changeling trying to evade blood tests. Seven missed the Dominion War having been in the Delta Quadrant at the time.

 

[PT109]

Bucket doesn't bother me but perhaps it is what he was found in: a standard-issue Changeling space capsule.

According to Memory Alpha, Michael Piller once said:

Odo "was found near where this wormhole shows up, as an infant in a spacecraft"

 

[Timofnine]

You're over thinking it. That wasn't Odo in the episode. They just gave him that bucket design for some silly reason.

If Terry can get a picture of a *real* Changeling/Founder with authentic makeup in to the episode, as well as an original DS9 Bajoran bucket prop, then why did he not make sure that the CGI gelatinous state of this species was not more lovingly replicated or that the bucket was represented properly? Terry paid particular care when recreating the Ferengi, Trill and Klingons as compared to Disco. I think that the Founders are infected with something which is making them look more grotesque than usual. I have mentioned this in another thread. I also think that Terry Matalas killed Odo in his story, perhaps Odo became infected with Conspiracy parasites like he did in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country. In that story it was a Human disguised as a Klingon, not a Changeling. But there is a pattern in the deception… though *coincidentally* there is also a Changeling called Marta in VI who is more like these Changelings in Picard season 3…

Please read this for context:

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Odo's_bucket

 

[Lord Garth]

Bernd over at EAS is calling this episode prossibly the best live action Trek in 16 years, gave it a 8/10.
https://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/episodes/pic3.htm#nowinscenario

He hasn't been praising the season as the second coming, but it has been getting better numbers than previous. So far his rankings have been 6/5/7/8



You're over thinking it. That wasn't Odo in the episode. They just gave him that bucket design for some silly reason.

16 years they say? Which episodes are from 2007?

 

[StewMc]

I also think that Terry Matalas killed Odo in his story, perhaps Odo became infected with Conspiracy parasites like he did in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country. In that story it was a Human disguised as a Klingon, not a Changeling.

Huh?

 

[Macintosh]

I also think that Terry Matalas killed Odo in his story, perhaps Odo became infected with Conspiracy parasites like he did in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country. In that story it was a Human disguised as a Klingon, not a Changeling. But there is a pattern in the deception… though *coincidentally* there is also a Changeling called Marta in VI who is more like these Changelings in Picard season 3…

 

[Bgt]

I gave it a 10. This is the first time in the modern Trek era that I rank an episode this high.
Absolutely loved it, even the son didn't annoy me at this one.
I wonder if at the end he joins Starfleet and we have a spin off.

 

[cooleddie74]

I also think that Terry Matalas killed Odo in his story, perhaps Odo became infected with Conspiracy parasites like he did in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country. In that story it was a Human disguised as a Klingon, not a Changeling. But there is a pattern in the deception… though *coincidentally* there is also a Changeling called Marta in VI who is more like these Changelings in Picard season 3…

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

They practically used a Cerritos manoeuvre to get out.

Nice.

 

[StewMc]

As much as I loved hearing a Picard log entry for the first time in just over 20 years, I thought it sounded like Patrick Stewart recorded it in his living room or something.

Not as bad as the Janeway logs on Instagram though which sounded like someone stopped Kate Mulgrew in a corridor at a convention.

 

[Therin of Andor]

We've had that since Season 2, I believe. @Therin of Andor am I remembering correctly?

Canonically, the pics were blurry in episode footage last season. Clear only in publicity pics and the “tour of 10 Forward Street bar” in the premiere fan event.

The Therin and Grol two-shot (both me) was clearly seen on the wall in last week’s episode, and the framed pic at an angle, but I understand the framed Therin is in full clarity this week!

Waiting for the episode to drop!