The Preservers, technically the Romulans with Talin/Laris, Seven's Isis, the Platonians, Apollo and his people, come to mind.
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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x08 - "Mercy"
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Add Trill, Bajoran, Changeling, Xindi, Devidian, Borg, Suliban, Na'kuhl, and El Aurian to that list.
No Ducane that we know of.
The producer has set down this as the rule that we must follow.
The Federation future is gone, so any one from the Federation Future that would travel back in time can't, because their timeline is gone.
HOWEVER!!!!
Temporal shielding like in VOY:Year of Hell, or stepping sideways out side of time/space like in VOY: Relativity is a prophylactic against temporal editing or collapsing timelines... Unless the idiot producer says otherwise, sanctimonious git.
Therefore Federation Ducane is still in play.
As of the beginning of the 25th century, the Confederation is unaware that time travel is possible, even if they may think some thing hinky was going on when they saw Picard sling shot around the sun into the past... So the Confederation may not have a Time Empire by the 29th century?
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Anger? Bitterness? Caprice?
Because he could?
He kept trying to show Guinan what a tough guy he was.
But considering First Contact, it doesn't make a lot of sense for the Vulcans to already have transporter technology. Why would they need to land (and possibly endanger) their ship in this case, instead of simply beaming down?
Landing would not endanger the ship since the humans there were a bunch of ragtag WW3 survivors. The humans were in no position to attack the Vulcan ship.
Why did they land? Maybe they thought landing the ship would be more formal than just beaming down since this was an official first contact. Or maybe the Vulcans were worried that beaming would scare the humans? Of course, the out of universe reason is that the writers probably thought the ship landing would look cool and look more like the first contact situations that we are used to. In other movies, the aliens always land in a ship and have a dramatic moment where the door opens to reveal the aliens. I think the writers wanted to do something similar.
In any case, the ship landing is not proof that Vulcans don't have transporter tech, just proof that they did not use transporter tech in this instance.
You made a lot of good points, but considering what happened in the MU, this one isn't necessarily true
My point, that appears to keep getting missed, is in the extremes of the reactions, i.e. "best Trek ever!" (as I saw posted about episode 1 of this season) to "worst episode! Can't believe they made this drek!" of late. If that is not a "mood swing" (apparently a phrase that is contentious) then what should it be called?
As I said, I am watching the fan reaction and trying to figure out what the heck is the source of the intensity to these shifts of opinions in their intensity, i.e. "best ever' to "worst ever? If that's a quality swing that extreme then that's quite the impressive ability by the producers.
The Vulcan who faceraped Wells in the 1980s transported back up to his ship mid meld.
Well, my journey off the railway tracks went something like:
Episode one: Damn - probably the best live-action NuTrek ever (certainly not best Trek ever - not by a stretch)
Episode two: Okay. Still moving. Not as good as the first, but still a strong showing.
Episode three: *nods head*
Episode four: Hmmm.
Episode five: Wait-a-minute.
Episode six: Oh my god it's not better; this is turning out to be another meandering mess.
And so on. I think episode one raised hopes for a strong season. Subsequent episodes (particular episodes four onwards) dashed sentiment, leading to backlash here and elsewhere. RT's audience score didn't start off too bad, but trending down sharply as the season progressed; Jammer's Reviews kicked off in the 3-4 star range, but the past 4-5 episodes haven't pushed over 3 stars (tracking to be the lowest scored NuTrek season on his site). Although I suppose that doesn't address your point re: the extreme swings.
Perhaps the bitter pill some struggle with is simply excepting this iteration of Trek isn't for every Trek fan. If you don't like any of it, too bad. It's not easy when you look back at the huge library of content spanning multiple decades and say " I like most of that! Why don't I like any of it now?"
I mean, that make sense if this was the first or second series of this era. The intensity is what draws my eyes.
That wasn't me who said that.
Our journey is very similar.
As soon as they started the on the nose preaching about the ills of 21st century human society it kind of dampened my enthusiasm. Yes, before someone points out, I am aware that classic Trek couched tales about modern societal issues within its narratives. It just didn't feel like the show runners at the time were slapping their audience upside the head about it. However, I will be the first to admit that subtlety in today's day and age about pretty much any topic doesn't seem to work. The loudest voice and the squeakiest wheel get the attention, or the most mouse clicks, and that is what drives everything it seems.
This era:
Discovery
Picard
Lower Decks
Prodigy
Strange New Worlds
That does make Picard the second series of this era.
At the time it started, it was also the first Star Trek in close to 20 years to not be a prequel. Excluding "Calypso".
Picard occupies a space where a lot of people thought "This is the return of MY Star Trek!" Then they found out it wasn't, so it hit harder. I called this a long time ago. Season 2 was about as close to "Yes! This is my Star Trek!" as they've gotten, then it was yanked right out. It's really that simple. So I completely understand why they're feeling the way they do, because they're reacting exactly the way I knew they would.
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This is my main criticism. At least tamp down on the sledgehammer current social commentary with some humour, like Raffi did last episode about folks not being able to navigate revolving doors in the 21st century.
Maybe part of the problem is we want more nuance now whereas when we were younger we didn't mind the generalities spouted by Trek characters, and since the modern shows are doing similar things we notice it more and wish it was less blunt, like we probably should have way back when?
One thing I noticed when Kore was about to look up more info on her "Dad". The shirt she's wearing is pulled down her shoulder on only one side. I've seen this done in movies before. Do women really let this happen in real life? Or is it just a cliched metaphor for disorder? Seems weird and uncomfortable.
True enough. And you did.This era:
Discovery
Picard
Lower Decks
Prodigy
Strange New Worlds
That does make Picard the second series of this era.
At the time it started, it was also the first Star Trek in close to 20 years to not be a prequel. Excluding "Calypso".
Picard occupies a space where a lot of people thought "This is the return of MY Star Trek!" Then they found out it wasn't, so it hit harder. I called this a long time ago. Season 2 was about as close to "Yes! This is my Star Trek!" as they've gotten, then it was yanked right out. It's really that simple. So I completely understand how they're feeling because they're reacting the way I knew they would.
It's quite the experience to watch it unfold in real time.
Yes.
It's called the Jennifer Beals look (after she wore it in Flashdance).
Goes along with Agnes singing Pat Benatar.
Similar to mine, but with more ebb and flow. I liked 4 less than 5 and 8. I was fine with 6, but didn’t like that the episode was short and just covered one event. I didn’t think any of these were the “worst thing ever”. 7 I thought was the worst or one of the worst of the new shows, but 8 was back up to episode 4-5 quality for me. I’m still on board with the season, I just wish the season plot had been something else or structured differently. I’m feeling like how I did with season 1. It’s ok but could have been better. - but I thought the first 2 episodes of the season were great and felt like a more high energy and focused show writing wise…so it’s a bit disappointing they didn’t maintain that quality and kindve lost focus.
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