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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x06 - "Two of One"

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  • Tallinn indicates despite all her powers she's more or less sat around doing nothing at all but observing 1 person for 24 years
Not much point in a "watcher" if they literally can't get involved, is there? If true, then Tallinn's presence can make no difference: she can only record the outcome for posterity.

Given what the characters know at this point in the story, I think Tallinn's question of "what if Renee isn't supposed to go on that mission and Q is actually helping" is perfectly valid. Unless, of course, it's already documented that Renee is definitely the one who went on that mission in the original timeline (although they've already made it clear that records from "this era" are unreliable).

The idea that an astronaut could get this far in their training and into a planned mission and still be in a mental state where they could decide, essentially at the last moment, that they didn't want to go, also really taxes my suspension of disbelief. If her psychological profile were so damaged or delicate that something like that were remotely possible, it would have been caught long before this stage. And I'm not saying someone who's depressed can't go to space - I'm saying someone who's depressed enough to bail at the last minute wouldn't have gotten this far.
 
I wonder if the Doc and her kid will get into a situation where Rios feels the need to bring them back to the ship, and eventually back to the future with him.
 
The Borg Queen is quite a bitch and the Borg stuff a little bit creepy.....Didn't know that Agnes is a singer, though. I was happy to see the Doc again. And we saw more of Renée.

Adam Soong is quirky.... another quirky scientist played by Brent Spiner.
 
I wonder if the Doc and her kid will get into a situation where Rios feels the need to bring them back to the ship, and eventually back to the future with him.

I guess there won't be an episode with the title Back to the Future IV :D
 
I wonder if the Doc and her kid will get into a situation where Rios feels the need to bring them back to the ship, and eventually back to the future with him.
But if she goes to the future how can she make her butterfly logo a big enough deal to be on medical crates in 2400 like we saw in the premiere?
 
Yea, possible but then I would expect to see more consistent lengths if that were the case.
agreed. Standardised runtimes we’re a thing because it made syndication way easier and isn’t anymore exactly because it’s quite pointless for streaming shows. If an episode was short in past Trek they had to write additional scenes to fill the time, if it was long something had to go (and editing can recoup or add a couple of minutes if necessary), now they just edit the way they think it delivers best and tell the story they want, if it’s short it’s short, if it’s long it’s long, but it’s no longer an issue. Until you try to sell the series to an old school channel, anyway, but I guess it’s not a priority now.

Um...no, they really don't. They film the scenes as written (and each script is designed to be a particular length, more or less) and sometimes have to take a few out if they are running long, or if they run out of production time, or don't have the budget. They don't film dozens of hours for each episode - they wouldn't have the time or content to do anything of the sort. The cast don't improvise their scenes! They might get multiple takes of some scenes,
Each scene is shot from multiple angles, each angle for a few takes, it’s really easy to accumulate hours of shot material.

No, the announcement just said the TNG cast was joining Picard Season 3, but so far the only Picard originals we know for sure are in season three are Seven and Raffi. With Rios, Jurati, Elnor, Soji, and Laris, plus the TNG regulars, Seven and Raffi that's 14 main characters. I'm just speculating based on the social media "evidence" that many of the Picard regulars moved on to others things while season 3 was still filming. Doesn't mean they are not in season 3 for sure though.
Thanks. However I don’t think the announcement implied that the TNG crew was going to be in the main cast, only that they were in the season. For all we know Worf could be in a single episode or two, for example, not unlike Riker and Troi were last season and Whoopy probably will in this.
 
It's probably one of the best badly written eps Trek has done for quite a while.

So much of it is stupid or stupidly convenient, but I still liked it. :D

I agree actually. I find it refreshing - given how self-important Discovery is (and Season 1 was) that this season seems willing to embrace that it's middlebrow schlock sometimes.

I'm always entertained in the moment, which I suppose is what's important here.
 
I agree actually. I find it refreshing - given how self-important Discovery is (and Season 1 was) that this season seems willing to embrace that it's middlebrow schlock sometimes.

I'm always entertained in the moment, which I suppose is what's important here.
Being entertained is vastly more important, yes. There are episodes of TOS which are not the best in terms of writing and acting skill, but they're still entertaining. I figure if you were entertained, mission accomplished. I was so very entertained by this episode. Hell, this whole season has been more fun for me than the first season. More entertaining than most seasons of Discovery, and I say that as someone who likes Discovery.
 
I would say it's likely his job to apprehend who he's told to apprehend, and not ask questions. If she's back out there on the floor, then the issue was resolved, or whatever happened is above his pay grade.

Would the logical subsumtion then not be A) He checks in with operations asking if the person that they apprehended now being on the stage is ok, and when operations does not reply then either B1) he himself goes to operations, or B2) he asks a colleague to check on them, which in either case leads us inevitably to the result of it being discovered that they have been rendered unconscious?

You are being VERY lenient with the production staff here. If it was just this scene it would not really have bothered me, but this was actually an irrelevant one by itself. There were several others, the big one being the two Picards wandering outside for no reason, where Soong just happens to be waiting with a car to mow them down, even though there would have been no why he could have ascertained them leaving the building. Production realized how horrible the scene is since the line that it will be shorter if they go outside, was obviously added in post in an attempt to salvage the scene.


Ethics don't go nearly as far as a big bank account.

At a certain point, outrage is is going to cost you more, then lack of ethics. Since you are drying up other avenues of funding.

The following kinda goes beyond the scope of this thread
One of the deepest flaws of our society (and I'm speaking of Western nations here) is that our short term gains have been overriding our long term brains. There are corrupt people everywhere at the higher levels of corporate organizing, but it doesn't matter so long as they keep the line of the stock market moving up.

No difference between western and non-western nations. Looks at China and India buying up the cheap Russian oil. With the Indian governement going so far as to ask why they should refuse to buy cheap oil for their people at a discount.

There is no black and white, only grey. Take short selling as an example. On the one hand it most definitively is used as a weapon, however it is also the only way for a pension fund to avoid losing grandma and grandpa's life savings during falling markets.

Look at the US and its handling of the pandemic, and how profit became far, far more important than the health of workers. You'd think it would be unethical to open schools, push people back to work, in the midst of a pandemic but here we are, and the strains keep getting more vicious, or more communicable.

Difficult. My cousin one the one hand would have preferred schools stayed closed for health reasons, however she was also shocked to find out that many of the grade one pupils she deals with do not know how to tie their shoe laces. When she challenged the parents, the response she usually got back was that Kindergarden was closed for two years. If parents are not willing to teach their kids how to tie up shoes, how well do you think they taught their children to count? This generation of pandemic kids is going to be divided into those who were well parented, and can exploit the situation, and those who were handed an iPad to watch YouTube videos. Although, sometimes it if unfair to just generally state that certain parents lack effort. Some simple do not have the needed skills. I am often flabbergasted how many adults lack elementary school math abilities. For many it is not that they do not want to teach their kids, they can't.
 
Would the logical subsumtion then not be A) He checks in with operations asking if the person that they apprehended now being on the stage is ok, and when operations does not reply then either B1) he himself goes to operations, or B2) he asks a colleague to check on them, which in either case leads us inevitably to the result of it being discovered that they have been rendered unconscious?

You are being VERY lenient with the production staff here. If it was just this scene it would not really have bothered me, but this was actually an irrelevant one by itself. There were several others, the big one being the two Picards wandering outside for no reason, where Soong just happens to be waiting with a car to mow them down, even though there would have been no why he could have ascertained them leaving the building. Production realized how horrible the scene is since the line that it will be shorter if they go outside, was obviously added in post in an attempt to salvage the scene.
Yes, I'm being lenient. I'm often lenient when I'm enjoying something. I *could* focus on the mistakes, or I can just enjoy it for what it is, relatively speaking. I realize everyone is going to be different on that, but I've long since started relaxing on these kinds of things, as long as they are internally consistent, or something not truly glaringly awful. That, unfortunately, is also relative.

At a certain point, outrage is is going to cost you more, then lack of ethics. Since you are drying up other avenues of funding.

The following kinda goes beyond the scope of this thread


No difference between western and non-western nations. Looks at China and India buying up the cheap Russian oil. With the Indian governement going so far as to ask why they should refuse to buy cheap oil for their people at a discount.

There is no black and white, only grey. Take short selling as an example. On the one hand it most definitively is used as a weapon, however it is also the only way for a pension fund to avoid losing grandma and grandpa's life savings during falling markets.



Difficult. My cousin one the one hand would have preferred schools stayed closed for health reasons, however she was also shocked to find out that many of the grade one pupils she deals with do not know how to tie their shoe laces. When she challenged the parents, the response she usually got back was that Kindergarden was closed for two years. If parents are not willing to teach their kids how to tie up shoes, how well do you think they taught their children to count? This generation of pandemic kids is going to be divided into those who were well parented, and can exploit the situation, and those who were handed an iPad to watch YouTube videos. Although, sometimes it if unfair to just generally state that certain parents lack effort. Some simple do not have the needed skills. I am often flabbergasted how many adults lack elementary school math abilities. For many it is not that they do not want to teach their kids, they can't.
It is all indicative of the issue at hand (shortsightedness in the name of short term gains), and while most things are certainly gray, there is black and white out there, fundamental principles that have real effects on the environment and contexts around them.
 
I wonder if the Doc and her kid will get into a situation where Rios feels the need to bring them back to the ship, and eventually back to the future with him.
They discover that history shows both of them being killed in an ICE raid.
 
Regarding Tallin speaking Romulan, only those with closed captioning on would notice that. Was that a spoiler or do the writers wants us to know she has a Romulan connection?
 
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