Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x10 - "Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2"

[plynch]

So . . . why/how did Data paint a picture with Soji in it years ago? How is she his daughter? I'm really not dumb. I just get lost in long, convoluted plots.

 

[SG-17]

That scene with Data was amazing. I'm so happy we got a proper send-off for the character.



Also I'm super annoyed that Memory Alpha has split pages for Picard now.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Jean-Luc_Picard
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Jean-Luc_Picard_(golem)

 

[El Maestro]

I'm disappointed Oh didn't order her armada to fire at Will.

this is a solid joke and you need to get credit for it

 

[Midquest]

So . . . why/how did Data paint a picture with Soji in it years ago? How is she his daughter? I'm really not dumb. I just get lost in long, convoluted plots.

Picard: Data's daughter. He always wanted a daughter. I believe Maddox modeled her on an old painting of Data's.

From 1x01. Doesn't seem particularly convoluted to me?

 

[picardjean-luc]

I thought Picard looked more invigorated and younger in the last scenes. Kudos to Sir Pat.

Thanks to the body-switch I suppose. The golem is fresh from the factory

 

[Xerxes82]

Also, why was Data trapped in that box? I get Spiner didn't want to come back and play Data. Makes sense as to why he was killed off. But in universe, shouldn't he have been placed in another synth body on that planet some years ago? If not in a new body, there's countless starships out there. Turn his consciousness into a hologram and give him a mobile emitter. Or have him in a holodeck on a starship doing work from there. Endless possibilities, making a new synth body one of the more obvious ways to go. They have B4's body. It shouldn't have been that hard to bring Data back when there's all these other synths on the planet.

Ok, this is the only one of your points that I thought the episode actually did address. Two things:

1) We know that they haven't successfully been able to transfer a mind. It's meant in terms of putting an organic mind in a synth body, but theoretically the same should apply for Synth minds. You can't just offload one into a new body, it has to be built to purpose. So I don't think they had the ability to just move Data into a new body.

And that's assuming there isn't some technical issue they don't mention, like deterioration or data corruption issues.

2) Data didn't WANT a new body. Data sacrificed himself to save the Enterprise. That was his explicit choice. He doesn't want to be immortal. He wants to be a mortal man who gave his life for his friends. Data wants his friends and family to accept that they should let him go, and stop trying to bring him back. Accept that he is mortal, and gone, and honor the man he was.

 

[picardjean-luc]

Imagine if season 2 doesnt even mention Picard is an android body

I wonder how Picard now will introduce himself to his old TNG colleagues:

"Hi Beverly. I'm dead, yet I'm alive in a new body. Shall we go on a date now?"

And I wonder what kind of snark he would've received from Q now that he lives in a new artificial body

 

[Xerxes82]

So . . . why/how did Data paint a picture with Soji in it years ago? How is she his daughter? I'm really not dumb. I just get lost in long, convoluted plots.

I'm assuming that the design for the "Soji-class" synths was A.I. Soong (or possibly Maddox, depending on how it went down) honoring Data, and using the old painting as the basis for the look. So it isn't that Data painted a daughter he didn't have yet, it's that someone designed Data's daughter to look like the one he had imagined years ago.

That is, the painting was just Data using his imagination. His hopes and dreams, if you will.

 

[picardjean-luc]

Also I'm super annoyed that Memory Alpha has split pages for Picard now.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Jean-Luc_Picard
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Jean-Luc_Picard_(golem)

Memory Alpha seems to confirm that there are two beings named 'Picard' now....

 

[cooleddie74]

Beverly: "Jean-Luc...your heart. It's...not a duratanium replacement. HOW..."

Picard: "The universe works in strange ways sometimes, Doctor. Very strange."

 

[Dale Sams]

Brent Spiner 'liked' my tweet on Twitter praising his scenes!!! Me so happy. I'm always glad to be able to communicate to some actors how they knocked it out of the park!

 

[SG-17]

Memory Alpha seems to confirm that there are two beings named 'Picard' now....

Its incredibly stupid and hopefully will get resolved soon. Unless they want to start making pages for Spock post-TWOK, Culber, or any other character who has had his mind swapped before.

 

[MrPointy]

Its incredibly stupid and hopefully will get resolved soon. Unless they want to start making pages for Spock post-TWOK, Huber, or any other character who has had his mind swapped before.

If Jean Luc Picard (golem) exists, then Harry Kim (duplicate) needs to exist.

 

[cooleddie74]

And Miles O'Brien(alternate timeline replacement).

 

[Dale Sams]

Its incredibly stupid and hopefully will get resolved soon. Unless they want to start making pages for Spock post-TWOK, Culber, or any other character who has had his mind swapped before.

Ha! Are there two entries for Kim??!!

 

[eschaton]

I just rewatched the "Data's death" scene again. I was wondering about Data's deathbed vision of Picard comforting him right before oblivion. I would suppose it's supposed to be ambiguous in the same way that deathbed visions of people are ambiguous. Is it a hallucination of a dying mind, or the first step into something more? None of us will ever know.

However, the latter - if you even entertain it for a second - has some uncomfortable conclusions, because it means Data was being comforted/welcomed by the "real Picard" - who is now dead - and we're just following around a copy.

Which I suppose is fitting, given this wasn't the "real Data" anyway - just a reconstruction of a copy.

 

[MrPointy]

Ha! Are there two entries for Kim??!!

Not yet. Just cut and paste everything from the Harry Kim page after the events of Deadlock and we good to go.

 

[MrPointy]

Also, MA needs an entry for Chakotay (wooden).

 

[Danja]

I had trouble with Seven just walking away from the xB's.

Was the cube literally dead in the water? Or was she following Elnor?

The synth ban is lifted all of a sudden? Too good to be true. Too Hollywood.

They laid the schmaltz on with a trowel.

 

[Roboturner913]

Probably need a separate entry for every character that's been through the transporter, for every time they did it.