Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x10 - "Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by Commander Richard, Mar 25, 2020.

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Rate the episode...

  1. 10 - I'm sending the writers orchids!

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  2. 9

    26.5%
  3. 8

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  4. 7

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  5. 6

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  6. 5

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  7. 4

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  8. 3

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  9. 2

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  10. 1 - Crash and burn!

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  1. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk Tomorrow Never Knows Premium Member

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    I thought Picard looked more invigorated and younger in the last scenes. Kudos to Sir Pat.
     
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  2. plynch

    plynch Commodore Commodore

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    So . . . why/how did Data paint a picture with Soji in it years ago? How is she his daughter? I'm really not dumb. I just get lost in long, convoluted plots.
     
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  3. SG-17

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  4. El Maestro

    El Maestro Captain Captain

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    this is a solid joke and you need to get credit for it
     
  5. Midquest

    Midquest Commander Red Shirt

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    From 1x01. Doesn't seem particularly convoluted to me?
     
  6. picardjean-luc

    picardjean-luc Captain Captain

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    Thanks to the body-switch I suppose. The golem is fresh from the factory ;);)
     
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  7. Xerxes82

    Xerxes82 Commander Red Shirt

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    Ok, this is the only one of your points that I thought the episode actually did address. Two things:

    1) We know that they haven't successfully been able to transfer a mind. It's meant in terms of putting an organic mind in a synth body, but theoretically the same should apply for Synth minds. You can't just offload one into a new body, it has to be built to purpose. So I don't think they had the ability to just move Data into a new body.

    And that's assuming there isn't some technical issue they don't mention, like deterioration or data corruption issues.

    2) Data didn't WANT a new body. Data sacrificed himself to save the Enterprise. That was his explicit choice. He doesn't want to be immortal. He wants to be a mortal man who gave his life for his friends. Data wants his friends and family to accept that they should let him go, and stop trying to bring him back. Accept that he is mortal, and gone, and honor the man he was.
     
  8. picardjean-luc

    picardjean-luc Captain Captain

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    I wonder how Picard now will introduce himself to his old TNG colleagues:

    "Hi Beverly. I'm dead, yet I'm alive in a new body. Shall we go on a date now?" :lol::lol::hugegrin::hugegrin:

    And I wonder what kind of snark he would've received from Q now that he lives in a new artificial body ;);)
     
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  9. Xerxes82

    Xerxes82 Commander Red Shirt

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    I'm assuming that the design for the "Soji-class" synths was A.I. Soong (or possibly Maddox, depending on how it went down) honoring Data, and using the old painting as the basis for the look. So it isn't that Data painted a daughter he didn't have yet, it's that someone designed Data's daughter to look like the one he had imagined years ago.

    That is, the painting was just Data using his imagination. His hopes and dreams, if you will.
     
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  10. picardjean-luc

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  11. cooleddie74

    cooleddie74 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Beverly: "Jean-Luc...your heart. It's...not a duratanium replacement. HOW..."

    Picard: "The universe works in strange ways sometimes, Doctor. Very strange."
     
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  12. Dale Sams

    Dale Sams Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Brent Spiner 'liked' my tweet on Twitter praising his scenes!!! Me so happy. I'm always glad to be able to communicate to some actors how they knocked it out of the park!
     
  13. SG-17

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    Its incredibly stupid and hopefully will get resolved soon. Unless they want to start making pages for Spock post-TWOK, Culber, or any other character who has had his mind swapped before.
     
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  14. MrPointy

    MrPointy Captain Captain

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    If Jean Luc Picard (golem) exists, then Harry Kim (duplicate) needs to exist.
     
  15. cooleddie74

    cooleddie74 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    And Miles O'Brien(alternate timeline replacement).
     
  16. Dale Sams

    Dale Sams Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Ha! Are there two entries for Kim??!!
     
  17. eschaton

    eschaton Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    I just rewatched the "Data's death" scene again. I was wondering about Data's deathbed vision of Picard comforting him right before oblivion. I would suppose it's supposed to be ambiguous in the same way that deathbed visions of people are ambiguous. Is it a hallucination of a dying mind, or the first step into something more? None of us will ever know.

    However, the latter - if you even entertain it for a second - has some uncomfortable conclusions, because it means Data was being comforted/welcomed by the "real Picard" - who is now dead - and we're just following around a copy.

    Which I suppose is fitting, given this wasn't the "real Data" anyway - just a reconstruction of a copy.
     
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  18. MrPointy

    MrPointy Captain Captain

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    Not yet. Just cut and paste everything from the Harry Kim page after the events of Deadlock and we good to go.
     
  19. MrPointy

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    Also, MA needs an entry for Chakotay (wooden).
     
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  20. Danja

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    I had trouble with Seven just walking away from the xB's.

    Was the cube literally dead in the water? Or was she following Elnor?

    The synth ban is lifted all of a sudden? Too good to be true. Too Hollywood. :shifty:

    They laid the schmaltz on with a trowel.
     
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