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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x04 - "Absolute Candor"
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25 of 6, Tertiary Adjunct of Unimatrix 4, fan of Chicago music.
I missed it, but apparently at one point during Soji's talks with Narek in this ep, she does a very Data-like head tilt in confusion.
Borging your way in the universe today
Takes every Queen you got.
Taking a break from all your assimilation's
It sure would help a lot.
Wouldn't you like to go astray?
Sometimes you want to go
Where everybody knows your designation
And they're always sad you came
You want to be where you can see
The Drones are all the same
You want to be were everything can be reclaimed.
Came to the forum to argue about nicknames, stayed for best of Cheers
Indeed. If I have one (!) criticism of this series overall - it's that it's absolutely not newcomer-friendly.
Don't get me wrong - I absolutely friggin' love that series, it gives me the feeling I had watching new Star Trek when I was younger, and which I haven't felt in years. I thought I might have outgrown that joy - turns out it just needed another series that appealed to me on such a fundamental level!
And yet, I wouldn't recommend this series for newcomers. If I want a friend to get into Star Trek, I would recommend this series only after having already watched TNG & parts of VOY.
I very much forgive this - this is a direct sequel to a character after all, and it manages to be a sequel to the whole Trek universe from TOS to TNG, even including bit pieces of the reboot and DIS' re-imaginations.
But in some corner of my heart, I wish this same team would get together, and make a "new" Trek series that can be watched without having any knowledge of previous Trek, and be as independent as I think Disney's "The Mandalorian" is. A show that "gets" is respective universe on a level like PIC gets Star Trek, but completely building every bit and character of its story completely on it's own, filled with references, but on a fundamental level being completely independent.
Well, this series is not for newcomers by design. And furthermore it’s not even Star Trek, in classic sense of the word. Star Trek was always an ensemble cast trekking through stars. All shows before now had a hero crew and a hero ship/station as main focus. And none had main hero who was featured on a previous show. But it still makes for best damn Trek in 20 years and I’m glad they did it.
I would entirely disagree with you that The Mandalorian is "independant" of Star Wars any more than Picard is of Star Trek. It is ridiculously steeped in Star Wars lore it would choke a bantha. No one just walking in will get a fraction of what is going on compared to a SW fan. While all their SW friends will be going ooh and awe they will be going, what the? What does this mean? How is this important? Why is one group of guys in armor good and the other group of guys in armor bad? Why do you call the little green guy baby Yoda? etc. etc. It's about as far as you could go on Star Wars nostalgia without including a familar face.
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Most of those questions would only apply if they haven't seen the original trilogy, which most people, even those who don't consider themselves "Star Wars fans," have. Star Trek is different because there's a lot more of it and there are a lot more people who've never seen any of it.
yeah, 'guys, we'll bring back an 80yo playing a 92yo' will get in lots of 20yo who think at 35 you're dead anyway
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Well, this series is not for newcomers by design. And furthermore it’s not even Star Trek, in classic sense of the word. Star Trek was always an ensemble cast trekking through stars. All shows before now had a hero crew and a hero ship/station as main focus. And none had main hero who was featured on a previous show. But it still makes for best damn Trek in 20 years and I’m glad they did it.
Um... we have a full ensemble cast as of ep 4. And we do have a hero ship... and it is treking through the stars.
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Star Trek has been in heavy rotation on TV around the world over the past 50 years. When TNG was on the air a staggering percentage of the US population identified as having watched Star Trek. But yes, I will agree that The Mandalorian plays on nostalgia to a far greater extent than Picard does with SW easter eggs filled to the brim. I would personally compare it to The Orville where it comes to playing on a fan's wish that their franchise would return to "the good old days". But without all the SW memorbilia hanging around its just a run of the mill scifi adaptation of Lone Wolf and Cub with a lot of spaghetti western dressing.
I don't know if this has been pointed out already, but I just noticed that the hospitality hologram pronounced Zhaban as Chabon, as in Michael Chabon. Maybe I'm just the last to notice.
Edit: I don't think I overstated the popularity gap between Star Wars and Star Trek. TNG went off the air 26 years ago. People in their forties and up are very familiar with it, but it's pretty niche for anyone under 30. Star Wars is watched almost universally, even by people with little interest in Sci Fi and children who were born long after even the prequels released.
Edit: I don't think I overstated the popularity gap between Star Wars and Star Trek. TNG went off the air 26 years ago. People in their forties and up are very familiar with it, but it's pretty niche for anyone under 30. Star Wars is watched almost universally, even by people with little interest in Sci Fi and children who were born long after even the prequels released.
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To preface my comment, I've not seen all the previous shows save TOS and VOY, but were any of them ensemble shows? From what I've seen, hasn't the captain been the focus with only the occasional glimpse at another character?Well, this series is not for newcomers by design. And furthermore it’s not even Star Trek, in classic sense of the word. Star Trek was always an ensemble cast trekking through stars. All shows before now had a hero crew and a hero ship/station as main focus. And none had main hero who was featured on a previous show. But it still makes for best damn Trek in 20 years and I’m glad they did it.
I may simply misunderstand what an ensemble show is, though.
An ensemble show may refer to a show with a large recurring cast of main characters or a show that doesn't have a main character at all. Every Star Trek show has had fairly large cast of recurring characters although some have had smaller portions that they focus on, such as TOS which generally focused on the trinity of Kirk, Spock and McCoy.
There were only 3 ships in the fight. How could there have been too much CGI? Also, the tactics were very clear. The Bird of Prey tactic was to squeeze La Sirena between it and the planetary shield, giving it little space to maneuver in a one on one battle. Once 7 of 9's ship showed up we saw it and La Sirena acting together to attack the Bird of Prey. Those are real tactics. I think you are confusing Strategy with Tactics here.
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Yes. Along with 9 Of 125, the Owner of a Lonely cybernetic Heart.
Authentic, realistic Star Trek ship-to-ship combat should be the same three stationary shots of two plastic models filmed against a green screen with an indistinct starfield, as they float in one place and exhange beams with each other. Only one ship can shoot at a time and they can only use one of their weapons for each attack. Them's the rules of honest age of
ALL the Classic Trek series (TOS through ENT) are available for streaming on Amazon Prime.
No one has to miss anything.
Picard is an icon. Ask the average person to "Name a Captain from Star Trek," chances are they'll answer either Kirk or Picard.
Technology HAS advanced since the 90's.
