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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x02 - "Maps and Legends"

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It's not human to become protectionist and want to protect itself? To fear things we can't control? ... The Federation isn't out. But, protecting itself is definitely an understandable reaction.

Not because of one very limited incident. With that you'd expect an investigation and a report with a conclusion and suggested protocols to prevent a repeat … not an outright ban on it's research. That's an unreasoned overreaction and completely illogical. Starfleet apparently didn't even try to research why the Synths did what they did and that makes absolutely zero sense.
 
Another point: the Klingon Augment incident happened before the founding of the Federation and affected the Klingon Empire for generations. Early Federation leaders probably saw not only the Eugenics Wars on Earth as a warning of what might happen were genetic engineering allowed to go unchecked but may have looked upon the Klingon Augment incident - itself indirectly connected to the Eugenics Wars - as just another reason to outlaw the science being used within Federation borders. Tens of millions of deaths and untold members of a potentially dangerous alien species altered at the genetic level probably didn't help advocates of DNA resequencing get their arguments heard.
 
... There are multiple examples in history where humanity, either portions or in general, have willingly turned their back on technology and other elements after a tragedy or great event or such.

Fine, simply cite some of those examples. I have. :techman:
 
Not because of one very limited incident. With that you'd expect an investigation and a report with a conclusion and suggested protocols to prevent a repeat … not an outright ban on it's research. That's an unreasoned overreaction and completely illogical. Starfleet apparently didn't even try to research why the Synths did what they did and that makes absolutely zero sense.
Humans are not logical. Yes, it is an overreaction, one we have seen the Federation and in humanity.



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Fine, simply cite some of those examples. I have. :techman:

World War 1 (to a point)
The Napoleonic Wars
The fall of the Roman Empire

You have groups like the Amish who have wholly rejected technology, same with sects of Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, etc.
 
Not because of one very limited incident. With that you'd expect an investigation and a report with a conclusion and suggested protocols to prevent a repeat … not an outright ban on it's research.

Genetic engineering was banned in the Federation due to a war that happened 300 years before.

So...
 
Because when the end credits started to roll, I'm like....that's it? This episode is already over?

I chalk that up to a compelling narrative. These early episodes are about defining things and giving context. A framework. Again, I do worry it may end up being too complicated but so far there has been no fat or filler, in my opinion.
 
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I have yet to actively dislike any scenes in the first two episodes. That says a lot because the premiere episodes of every other series with the exception of perhaps the ENT premiere had moments that just bored or annoyed me. Picard kept me interested and wanting to see what was next for two consecutive episodes and that's rare in Trek these days.
 
It's because the first three episodes combined are the pilot.

#DoYourHomework :rolleyes:

THE NEXT GENERATION FINALE HAUNTS JEAN-LUC IN STAR TREK: PICARD EPISODE 2

More than any other Star Trek series before, each episode in the early going of Star Trek: Picard feels like a chapter in a book. In fact, in some ways, you could argue that Episode 2, "Maps and Legends" should have been aired right alongside the debut episode, "Remembrance." If you watch them back-to-back, you'll still get the feeling that everything is a prologue and the real adventure is about to get energized and kick into high gear.


https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/the-n...haunts-jean-luc-in-star-trek-picard-episode-2
 
World War 1 (to a point)
The Napoleonic Wars
The fall of the Roman Empire

You have groups like the Amish who have wholly rejected technology, same with sects of Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, etc.

What was banned or limited in your examples? That which you cite are also major wars and not just one incident. If the Synth's rose up in great numbers rampaged through the galaxy then maybe, but they did not. Also the Amish do not reject technology. They are electricians, etc. I just watched "The World According To Jeff Goldblum" episode on RV's where one of the top craftsman was Amish. So none of what you say or cite has come anywhere close to proving your point (despite your attempts to reframe the points of discussion).
 
Humans are not logical. Yes, it is an overreaction, one we have seen the Federation and in humanity.

So you keep claiming without citation. But glad to see you've come to agree with me that it was an overreaction which was my point. … so what point are you arguing?
 
"One incident"

Yes, one incident.

That destroyed the Federations largest shipyard, lit a planet on fire and killed 80,000 people

We're not talking about a small attack that killed 30 people and banged up some docks

Relatively speaking, yes it was (how many trillions in the Federation?). A moratorium while a comprehensive investigation takes place I could understand and say was prudent. Not a ban of 20 years or whatever. Like FP78 finally admitted, it was an overreaction.
 
Two fairly obvious examples in the field of weaponry present themselves when one wants to argue humans shying away from technology: combat gases and nukes. Both would have been of great help in most of the 20th century conflicts. Neither were used to any significant degree, especially not as the terror weapons they were designed to be.

Of course, there's the MAD aspect to it when one gets to really extreme weapons. But more fundamentally, there's the aspect best reflected in the Royal Navy flat out refusing to develop modern ships and weapons in the late 19th century, out of fear that the enemies would feel tempted to do the same.

This is not quite the same thing as having moral aversion to a technology. But such things are typically masked as such anyway: banning of combat gases was presented as due to them being too inhuman (especially to civilians, as if the military would give a shit), when in fact they were simply too inconvenient, say.

The human taboo on genetics is probably at least 90% self-preservation and conservative fear, and only 10% pragmatic strategic pondering: the threat potential inherent in the unknown is too great, the Eugenics Wars a mere sampling of what would be possible. OTOH, what the Klingons did to themselves might instead be par for the course, the species being quite comfortable with modifying itself and indeed biologically reinventing itself every few decades, as witnessed... Different taboos for different species, is all.

Timo Saloniemi
 
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