Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x02 - "Maps and Legends"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by Commander Richard, Jan 28, 2020.

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  1. eschaton

    eschaton Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    They claim it's because they decided that hearing about the Mars attack in the first episode didn't have enough emotional impact, so they felt the need to add a visual depiction.

    Having read the prequel comics, it's very, very unlikely that either would betray him.

    I didn't really get any idea from the prequel scene at the top of the episode that the "synths" were anything but humanoid machines. They didn't act like self-aware beings at all. Did Data ever just stay in a closet until it was time for his shift to begin?
     
  2. KennyB

    KennyB I have spoken............ Moderator

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    I think the writers have watched it more than some "fans".............I don't think the slave androids were common knowledge.
     
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  3. B. L.

    B. L. Lieutenant Red Shirt

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    Meanwhile exocomps
     
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  4. B. L.

    B. L. Lieutenant Red Shirt

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    The point is that Picard never publicly denounced Starfleet for this when he had a chance. He only wanted to get mad at them for discrimination against them, not enslaving them.

    If they were "dumbbots" then there's no relationship to Data, and he would have mentioned the distinction when he was questioned by the reporter.
     
  5. ITDUDE

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    Romulan ;)

    Yep, this

    Yep, just rescaled. I reaaallly hope they use Warp 13 in the next episode when they finally get on their way.

    Last assimilation was 16 years ago, BEFORE Mars attack. Very interesting implications....

    There is 50+ years of Star Trek. Different people take different things from it. It's only natural

    Because she is new Number One, and former Number One, Majel Barrett-Roddenberry was also, the computer/narrator? There is meta, there is good meta, and there is too much meta. I think this is the latter category.

    I could buy them from Amazon and have them on my desk tomorrow. Won't make me a Vulcan. She could have gotten those as gifts after good dealings with Vulcans.

    Vasquez Rocks were playing themselves in this episode. A nice change of pace :D

    VPN, get VPN. There as some good free ones, but even paid ones are worth $2-3/month you'd pay for them

    I still can't spell Dahj without looking it up. :D

    I'll start using it instead of frack, whenever I want to swear on the forums ;)

    She's the only Admiral I remembered from TNG before I started rewatching it in prep for Picard.
     
  6. Datasbeard

    Datasbeard Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    One would hope that by the 24th century, organizations would rise above retaliating against those who would criticize them.
     
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  7. DaveyNY

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    It's essentially this version of the Star Trek Online Galaxy Map...
    (which is the one they had at launch of the game back in 2010)

    WARNING: REALLY HUGE IMAGE ...

    [​IMG]
     
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  8. KennyB

    KennyB I have spoken............ Moderator

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    My point is I don't think ANYONE outside the facility knew about the army of slave androids. How could Picard complain if he did not know about them. We need more info before we pass judgment on Picard or the writing staff.
     
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  9. Lord Garth

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    Again, this is Picard's perception of what Starfleet should be versus what it actually is. You know how Worf is more Klingon than Klingon? Picard is more Starfleet than Starfleet. Most of Starfleet doesn't think like him. They're not textbook officers, whereas Picard is.
     
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  10. ITDUDE

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    One more thing I forgot to mention...
    Romulans with ridges, definitely saw some some ridges on Romulan guards. Not as pronounced as TNG, but definitely confirms that there are different Romulan races :)
     
  11. Corran Horn

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    From the comic, they have pretty good reasons to be loyal to Picard.

    But also, pretty good reasons to act suspiciously.
     
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  12. Longinus

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    Why are they slaves? Are he other workers slaves too? Why can't the synth be just working there like the rest of them?
     
  13. Datasbeard

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    Normalize what? That people can meet, be interested in one another, and have sex? That's becoming more rare?

    All mean-sounding examples. Really proliferates the myth that if a woman rejects someone she's a bitch. A woman can say "no, not interested," and there's literally nothing sinister or malicious in that at all. If you perceive it that way, that's your problem and no one else's.
     
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  14. Racefuel

    Racefuel Commodore Commodore

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    Retaliation has been an element in Star Trek for a long, long time.
     
  15. JirinPanthosa

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    Those androids didn’t seem to reach the threshold of sentience.
     
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  16. Racefuel

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    They're kept in a storage locker, called "plastic", insulted because they're not human, etc.

    You really think they were being viewed as just another worker?
     
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  17. B. L.

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    Let's assume he does not know about them during the Romulan evacuation.

    The public widely knows about the synthetics at the point of the broadcast interview. The reporter specifically mentions this, and goes on to question Picard on his trust in synthetics. 1

    1. He gives no indication that he was unaware of their use.
    2. He does not protest when they compare them to data as one might expect if they were "dumbbots". He simply says he trusted him and did not know why the synths did what they did.
    3. He never mentions at all the ethics of using them in the first place. We know he cares deeply about at least one android, and in the past he has shown respect for these life forms and even dumber life forms at the cost of his own.
    4. Even if he did not know about them until afterwards, it does not make sense that he does not mention his condemnation for Starfleet for using an android slave race. He would at the very least included it in his lists of grievances against them to explain his exit.
     
  18. KennyB

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    No my word.....was replying to BL. Yeah I get your point...........they do get time off it seems. Just in a closet ;-)
     
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  19. B. L.

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    Let's also ignore the way he treats the hologram lady in his locker room. He never acted that way before. He knows from his experiences that there's a very fine line between an automaton and sentience.

    Of course, his dementia explains it all away, lol such a cheap get out of jail free card for the writers to explain bad writing.
     
  20. Kor

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    I like the variety of Romulan "looks," with more natural hairstyles, and different levels of forehead smoothness/bumpiness. Even the more built-up foreheads somehow look much more aesthetically appealing than the TNG-era forehead brow.

    Kor