Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x02 - "Maps and Legends"

So you're saying she's fully functional?

 

Good episode. But kind of really hate that they seemed to bring Section 31 back yet again.

 

That would be an amazing twist. I think the real issue is the adoption of logic makes you too much like an AI/machine and it freaked out the Romulans.

 

Or it could just be Starfleet Intelligence. Admiral Toddman on DS9 also wore a gold operations/security department uniform and was part of Starfleet Intelligence, not Section 31.

 

I assumed Starfleet Intelligence as well. Oh is probably the head of SI's Romulan desk or something.

 

He's doing a WHOLE lot more than just "listening".

 

He does have to make her comfortable and you know "pillow talk"

 

perhaps and maybe it’s just the fact Disco used them extensively and that we are getting a S31 show but it came off as more that just Starfleet Intelligence to me.

 

The map in the Admiral's office



Almost looks like the old Star Trek Online map, though it might also be a Star Charts map, as DSC season 1 and 2 used that book for a lot of its maps, and STO's map is based off Star Charts.

There are colours on the maps that might be galactic powers not from STO, so it might just be a Star Charts copy

I think she just has a personal connection, maybe she lost family on Mars or something.

 

Yeah I agree. I wish they Retconn section 31 into oblivion. The idea there is some secret police unaccountable to anyone is a complete violation of Roddenberry ideas.

 

Roddenberry's ideas started getting discarded in TNG.

 

Anger always needs more fuel.

And the best scene of all:


Spock: That's not true!!! That's impossible!!!


Search your feelings, Spock, you know this to be true.


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

 

I don’t mind Section 31, the idea of it is an interesting one. But not as interesting as Kurtzman and the show runners seem to think it is.

I guess I’m trying to say, it’s better used in smallish doses as it was in DS9 and ENT.

 

Section 31 is like ipecac. Useful in extreme cases but best kept out of sight the rest of the time and not talked about in the open.

 

Meh, give me Section 31 over the Ferengi and "love instructors" any day.

 

So this super-secret Romulan Secret Police force decide to kidnap someone by beaming into her apartment, cause a bunch of ruckus, kill people with knives and start combating hand-to-hand or firing weapons out in open spaces in the daytime right in front of Starfleet Headquarters? Why not just grab her and then beam out?!

 

I only caught the last 45 minutes on CTV SCI-FI tonight (but I’ll play the VHS back tomorrow to see the whole thing). It’s surprising that CTV left the Admiral’s f-bomb intact, or that CBS didn’t have them shoot a version where the Admiral didn’t swear (CTV did air a card before returning from commercial about the violence and coarse language) and CBS had a broadcast master that would conform with broadcast standards anywhere, so that any TV station could air it (I don’t see any station syndicating the show and airing it at 4 p.m or 5 p.m. with a f-bomb).

 

Possibly taking the nostalgia factor a little too far with that VHS… On the other hand, awesome!

 

Circling around back to the Picard vs. Clancy scene, like I said I would earlier.

Clancy was right. Picard does have a lot of fucking hubris. He waltzes right in, thinking he's like Kirk in the TOS Movies. There's an emergency, he thinks Clancy will reinstate him, oh, and he'll even take a demotion to Captain. He already has the whole thing mapped out. He's thinking he'll get his ship, whatever it is, and he'll go off on his merry way. Right? Wrong.

Clancy calls Picard out on talking bad about Starfleet last night on the news. Why would they allow someone to rejoin Starfleet "just for one mission" the day after he just trashed them?

The way the scene is set up in Picard's mind it's going to be like Kirk's meeting with Nogura in TMP. "They gave her back to me, Scotty." "Gave her back? I doubt it was that easy with Nogura." But instead what it turned out to be was Kirk's meeting with Morrow in TSFS. "No, absolutely not, Jim." And then when Picard talks about Data it's like Kirk saying, "But if there's even a chance that Spock has an eternal soul, then it's my responsibility." Then Marrow there, and Clancy here, held firm.

I also liked how the decision about whether or not the Federation should've aided the Romulans in 2385 was made to sound as difficult as it would have been. If the Federation is made up of 150 worlds (at least as of First Contact), then it makes sense that not all of them would be on the same page and some would threaten to leave. The Federation wants the appearance of Unity at all costs. That's where the "united" in the United Federation of Planets kicks in. There's no way one person, even if it was Picard, could turn that tide. So he had no choice but to resign if he truly stood by his convictions.

Picard's vivid dreams of Data and the Enterprise-D and his outbursts are similar to his behavior in "All Good Things" when it seemed to others as if something was going on with Picard when he was in other times. Like Crusher in the AGT Future wondered, "Do you think he's really going back in time?" (pause) "I'm not sure I do either." And the way everyone is else talking about him and to him, from Starfleet Command to Laris & Zhaban to the Doctor on the Stargazer, I think the truth has been kept from Picard about how much Irumodic Syndrome might have affected him. I think he has it. It's just not to the point it was at in "All Good Things" yet. It's in the mild, early stage.

Thank you!

 

Who wants to see THAT?

Boring ...