Spoilers Star Trek: Lower Decks 4x05 - "Empathalogical Fallacies"

[ToddCam]

Tendi has a crush on T'Lyn? When was that established?

 

[jackoverfull]

I mean isn't it canon the Romulans can and do roam it at will while the Federation can't?

Not exactly: it’s canon that Romulans, like Starfleet, *shouldn’t” enter the NZ but they definitely do anyway and act all mighty if they catch a federation ship in it. Happened more than once on TNG.

There is an aspect left dangling I feel needs to be followed up on. T'Lyn has a fatal neurodegenerative disease that is normally only in Vulcans of advanced age. Why is this treated like it's a minor or temporary condition? T'Lyn's resolution of her current emotional instability does not prevent future outbursts that can endanger lives. For the safety of the crew, should she be taking some kind of psionic-suppressant?

Thought the same and concluded that’s safe to assume she went to sickbay to start treatment eventually.

Pretty sure he called him that in Season 3 so must be a junior officer honorific.

I believe there was an episode last season when Boimler becomes friends with Shaxx, starts singing in his choir and earns the nickname. Shaxx also refers to him as Baby Bear in the first episode this season after finding him new quarters.

 

[thribs]

She doesn’t have a crush on her. She just has the need to be friends with everyone.

 

[Greg Cox]

Tendi has a crush on T'Lyn? When was that established?

It's not so much a crush as Tendi desperately wants them to be best friends and buds, like she is with Rutherford and Mariner and Boimler. Or at least that's my take on it.

 

[jackoverfull]

It's not so much a crush as Tendi desperately wants them to be best friends and buds, like she is with Rutherford and Mariner and Boimler. Or at least that's my take on it.

I don’t know, it seemed more to me but that may be only my impression.

 

[ToddCam]

I'm always up for bisexuality, but I also just assume Tendi's exuberance was an obsession with friendship. Though she did kiss that guy who went to live with the koalas after they finally worked out their differences, so who knows?

 

[eschaton]

I'm always up for bisexuality, but I also just assume Tendi's exuberance was an obsession with friendship. Though she did kiss that guy who went to live with the koalas after they finally worked out their differences, so who knows?

Tendi seems aggressively asexual to me, TBH. Maybe not aromantic, but asexual for sure.

Boimler and Rutherford's sexuality has really been toned down since the first season, but we still know they find people attractive. Tendi? Nope.

 

[ToddCam]

Tendi seems aggressively asexual to me, TBH. Maybe not aromantic, but asexual for sure.

Boimler and Rutherford's sexuality has really been toned down since the first season, but we still know they find people attractive. Tendi? Nope.

I think I've heard that idea before. I'm always up for asexuality, too, so that would be cool.

Tangentially related, but LGBTQy, I still want Brad to have a boyfriend. I was kind of hoping that "Brutherford" would lead to very awkward feelings from one or both of them. Imagine two Mark Twins kissing...

 

[Super Grover]

One of them was the lady who played BoJack Horseman's mom I believe.

Wendie Malleck

Rachel Dratch (SNL) was the other one I recognized.

 

[Super Grover]

Tendi seems aggressively asexual to me, TBH. Maybe not aromantic, but asexual for sure.

Boimler and Rutherford's sexuality has really been toned down since the first season, but we still know they find people attractive. Tendi? Nope.

I recall Tendi referring to some crewman as "a snack," in the first season.

 

[Super Grover]

Way to blow your chance there Ransom.

 

[XanderKay]

A-plot was good, I liked the twist putting it on T'Lyn rather than the Betazoids. It felt a little bit too 'The Naked Time'-y for me but whatever.

Didn't really like the B-plot, really didn't like how Boims was all "you guys don't really do anything" to the security guys when the Cerritos has repelled boarders before.

7.5/10.

 

[Aeolusdallas]

Okay, this ep looks like it might be straying into adults-only territory! Once you've seen the ep, please pass on your advice to me vis a vis its suitablility for a family viewing with a 10YO.

It wasn't even close to being adult only

 

[daedalus5]

One of them was the lady who played BoJack Horseman's mom I believe.

Wendie Malleck

. That’s her. Know the voice from the dreadful ‘Just shoot me’.

 

[Awesome Possum]

Well, in the episode, the two characters are laying on top of each and making out. So yes, I would say that there was a sexual component. And LBGT issues are part of sex education so yeah, what a parent chooses to tell their 10 year old about LBGT issues, like a gay kiss, is certainly part of sex education.

But you are missing the point. It is not about your morality or mine for that matter. It does not matter if you think LGBT issues are mundane. It is about Destructor having the right to make that decision for himself. That is what you don't seem to understand. Just because you think gay kissing is mundane, does not give you the right to hide that info from Destructor. He should get to make that decision for himself and his family. But we are straying way off topic so that is all I will say on this matter.

Back to the episode...

LGBTQ people aren’t issues, they’re people who exist and are a normal part of society whether certain people like it or not. Two men kissing is no more inappropriate than a man and woman kissing. The only difference is that one has a stigma associated with it because of centuries of bigotry that is now thankfully dying out, although not nearly fast enough.


Also 10 year olds know gay people exist and we’re better off as a society if they see it as a normal thing since some of those 10 year olds are gay. Hopefully they won’t have to live in a world where hateful people treat them as abnormal and something that should be hidden.

 

[Starkers]

I mean isn't it canon the Romulans can and do roam it at will while the Federation can't?

Bloody cloaking devices, ruining it for everyone!

That was fun, I thought it was resolved a little too easily, but still a lot of fun. A good Freeman episode I thought, she was all kinds of competent here (which isn't how she's always portrayed)

 

[Airmandan]

Thought it was a decent lighthearted episode. Enjoyed the callbacks to other Trek lore. And some of you folks need to chill out with the sniping at each other.

 

[Super Grover]

it was enjoyable, but I only gave it a 7.

Speculation. my theory is the mystery ship is From the Mirror Universe, as it resembles an TOS Agonizer. BUt do you think that Boims's Section 31 transporter duplicate is flying it?

 

[Charles Phipps]

Tendi seems aggressively asexual to me, TBH. Maybe not aromantic, but asexual for sure.

Boimler and Rutherford's sexuality has really been toned down since the first season, but we still know they find people attractive. Tendi? Nope.

I mean Rutherford and Tendi have the most overt attraction to Tendi asking Rutherford to dump his girlfriend.

 

[NCC-73515]

for some people it is problematic. Your values are not everyone else's values

It does not matter if you think LGBT issues are mundane. It is about Destructor having the right to make that decision for himself. That is what you don't seem to understand. Just because you think gay kissing is mundane, does not give you the right to hide that info from Destructor.

I was not aware kissing being problematic is part of anyone's 'values'. Gay kissing is the same as straight kissing. Especially if none of them has a beard, and it's animation. There have been kisses in previous episodes and I don't remember them ever being mentioned as inappropriate for any age. "Hiding" kisses is a particularly odd choice of words.

^ Okay, whatever. Just going to point out that two people kissing has little to do with “sex education”. That you want to stylize something as mundane as two people kissing into a sexual act warranting a warning is problematic. And you would probably never have pointed out two people of the opposite sex kissing in the episode.

100%

We should simply ask @Destructor what their 'values' are, and to better define what they find appropriate or not.