Spoilers Star Trek: Lower Decks 2x09 - "wej Duj"

[Commander Troi]

They already did.

Thank you!

 

[dupersuper]

Well, Lower Decks finally did it: they got a 10 from me.

Oh and they said "Vulcan High Command" because nobody remembers that 3-part ENT episode that ended in it being disbanded.

Maybe it ended up being more reformed than disbanded when the dust settled.

Either the ships are way out of scale or in the 220 years since ENT the Vulcans have been making some pretty massive leaps in spaceship design and construction that put Starfleet's to shame.

I mean, they just made it bigger...

I liked it, but I couldn't help but groan every time Boimler came on the screen. He hasn't learned a damn thing in two seasons.

Seriously??? He's gone from the bumbling guy who gets taken in by Mariner's Ferengi buddy and humiliated by a spider-cow to the guy who gets %100 on a Borg simulation and outsmarts an evil computer. He went from a kiss-ass desperate to impress to some one willing to embarrass himself to calm down scorpion Tendi.

I mean, I guess I also picture some Alien Cetacean officers as well. Which look exactly like earth dolphins, but with a few ridges above/around the eyes.

Yeah, I'm picturing plenty of aquatic aliens. Maybe Xindi Aquatics, Legarans in specialized tanks, TAS Aquans...

 

[Brobdingnag]

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The most boring hour of television ever.

 

[Sci]

Oh and they said "Vulcan High Command" because nobody remembers that 3-part ENT episode that ended in it being disbanded.

"High Command" is a pretty generic term though -- and "wej Duj" is set two hundred twenty-six years after "Kir'Shara." That's plenty of time for the High Command military dictatorship seen in ENT to be disbanded and a new High Command that restricts itself to only running Vulcan's space agency to be established.

Either the ships are way out of scale or in the 220 years since ENT the Vulcans have been making some pretty massive leaps in spaceship design and construction that put Starfleet's to shame.

I mean, I wouldn't necessarily assume that larger size equals more powerful. Remember, they said the Defiant is as powerful as a Galaxy-class starship even though it's significantly smaller. The Sh'vhal might have been large because of the need to carry specialized scientific equipment, for instance, while having engines and weapons not much more powerful than, say, an Ambassador-class starship.

 

[Timo]

Surely she was built that large in order to mount those vitally important 20-meter-high portholes?

(...Vital for accommodating that clone army Master Syfok-T'yas ordered from the Phylosians?)

Timo Saloniemi

 

[cooleddie74]

The Constitution-class starships were obviously the pride of the fleet even in DSC as both Burnham and Stamets expressed awe and respect for their reputations and designs while it's obvious they're not the biggest starships in service at that time. Connies of that decade probably outpowered most if not all other starships in the Federation and were the career goal of many Starfleet Cadets about to graduate and receive their first deep space posting.

 

[Turtletrekker]

The Constitution-class starships were obviously the pride of the fleet even in DSC as both Burnham and Stamets expressed awe and respect for their reputations and designs while it's obvious they're not the biggest starships in service at that time.

Detmer as well.

 

[Silvercrest]

Coming in late after initial DVD watch.

Yeah, my presumption is that the Klingons should've joined the fight against the Pakleds, but then that would lead to questions of their changed loyalties, and the Vulcans and Cerritos would've been on them like crazy in disbelief (even if they understand how Klingons operate on a Von Stauffenberg system of Captaincy), and I think he made the right call to go directly to the High Council (I presume) and notify them ahead of time on what had happened.

Mrs. Silvercrest points out that the previous Klingon XO, the one M'Ach replaced, was likely making the exact same realization about his captain when he attacked. His accusations were cut off so fast that we couldn't hear what they were, other than the generic epithet that the captain was, as usual, "without honor". But the whole episode would've gone differently if he'd waited to recruit a few others.

 

[Qonundrum]

Don't you remember a certain Baseball playing Starship of Vulcans?

I'd rather not.

 

[Qonundrum]

Borg Cube Lower Decks literally had me laughing uncontrollably.

^^this

The episode had a lot of moments, but that one had to be the best. Certainly the most unexpected.

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

Watched it last night. Then immediately re-watched it with the commentary. Then the other episode-level special features.

Probably the first Pakled episode since "Samaritan Snare" that wasn't tiresome.

Lots of absurdism. Like a Benzite who claimed to be Hawaiian. (Kind of like Coneheads claiming to be from France.)

 

[CorporalCaptain]

It's still a ten for me. Very strong episode. I'm hoping for more T'Lyn.

 

[Tuskin38]

Lots of absurdism. Like a Benzite who claimed to be Hawaiian

I mean, if he was born an raised in Hawaii, would that not make him from Hawaii?

 

[CorporalCaptain]

I mean, if he was born an raised in Hawaii, would that not make him from Hawaii?

I think it would.

 

[jackoverfull]

Like a Benzite who claimed to be Hawaiian. (Kind of like Coneheads claiming to be from France.)

we don’t know when the first contact was, but if it happened centuries ago a benzite might well consider himself Hawaiian.

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

It's still a ten for me. Very strong episode. I'm hoping for more T'Lyn.

Spoiler

According to the commentary track on the DVD, you will get your wish. Also according to that commentary track (on which writer Kathryn Lyn participated), T'Lyn is Ms. Lyn's convention cosplay persona.

 

[Tuskin38]

Yeah that was revealed shortly after the episode aired.

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

I also rather liked the off-duty outfit Barnes was wearing when called to the Bridge, and its implication that she'd been using a "pond skating" holodeck program.

"Barnes" seems an odd name for a Trill.

 

[Tuskin38]

"Barnes" seems an odd name for a Trill.

Maybe she was adopted by Humans, or her mother married a Human. there's a few possbilities for a Trill to have a human name.

Or maybe coincidentally, Trill have names that sound just like Human names.

Heck, Jadzia is apparently the diminutive of the feminine Polish name, Jadwiga, though I don't know it's pronounced the same.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jadwiga

Tobin is also a given name
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobin_(given_name)

Ezri is Hebrew
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ezri

Dax is a real world family name
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dax

I guess the difference with these is that they're uncommon names.

 

[matthunter]

Barnes is possibly half-human: many have commented that her spots are fainter than those of most Trill.