Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x05 - "Die Trying"
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I don't think anyone's questioning Vance being suspicious at the beginning. It's more at the end of the episode, he and Burnham are talking about the Burn and then talking about sending Discovery off on more missions.
Given what he now knows, finding the reasons of the Burn are now redundant literally because of Discovery's spore drive, which he now knows works. Second, him sending Discovery off for more violent action where the spore drive could be destroyed is the last thing Vance would want to do as it's now the only hope for rebuilding the Federation and the 32nd century Starfleet needs to be absolutely sure they can replicate the spore drive, no matter how good their sensors may be now.
That's not even getting into the fact the ship is hopelessly out of date and could be blown out of the sky by 32nd century weapons for all he knows.
We're already a long way down from Picard's quantum storage of the late 24th century. Let me guess, quantum storage is powered by dilithium too?
6: too many coincidences, too slow and too preachy for my taste, also visuals were really bland when compared to the other episodes this season.
Observations
So the federation headquarters are a big ship in open space containing other ships, exactly as I forecasted two weeks ago and Michael was surprised at the coordinates because…Just because so we would wonder what those were, but in truth there was no meaning at all in them?
The good
the giant cloaking field was nice, as were nice the little self-referential quips such as the one from the doctor (what's wrong with his voice, by the way?!) about Michael being prone to emotional outbursts and a couple more of similar occurrences.
Intrigued by the new MU plot, I guess the divergence between universes had something to do with the Burn!
Saru points out that starfleet and federation are now almost one and the same…The show has been treating them that way for a while anyway, so it's probably a good idea to make it officially, I guess.
The bad
So Discovery arrives mere hours before people die and they're only ship able to help them in all starfleet…How convenient! And the problem originated in the 23rd century…how very convenient! And the Tikhov is a ship from the same era (but doesn't look like any 23rd century ship) that for some reason is still in service 1000 years later…How incredibly convenient! And it suffered a tragic accident (the CORONA hits in the 32th century! Ok, this was really bad luck on the writer's part…) just a few weeks ago…What a coincidence! And it's just about to be destroyed by a magnetic storm…How lucky Discovery is here just now!
And of course hearing there were Barzans on board made clear from the start that it was time to say goodbye to comander Nhan, especially as she had not been integrated clearly in Discovery's command structure anyway. I guess the actor had other projects to pursue, after all?
I found Starfleet's headquarters really underwhelming…As I mentioned above, the concept they would chose to go with was easy to imagine, but the visuals were very generic looking. Also: what are doing all those ships there exactly? Perhaps they are preparing a major offensive against this Orion-Andorian sindacate? And they must be REALLY short on resources to have finished triage space…
All in all a very mediocre episode, a six just because the MU stuff is promising. Quite a setback from the previous ones this season in my opinion.
Observations
So the federation headquarters are a big ship in open space containing other ships, exactly as I forecasted two weeks ago and Michael was surprised at the coordinates because…Just because so we would wonder what those were, but in truth there was no meaning at all in them?
The good
the giant cloaking field was nice, as were nice the little self-referential quips such as the one from the doctor (what's wrong with his voice, by the way?!) about Michael being prone to emotional outbursts and a couple more of similar occurrences.
Intrigued by the new MU plot, I guess the divergence between universes had something to do with the Burn!
Saru points out that starfleet and federation are now almost one and the same…The show has been treating them that way for a while anyway, so it's probably a good idea to make it officially, I guess.
The bad
So Discovery arrives mere hours before people die and they're only ship able to help them in all starfleet…How convenient! And the problem originated in the 23rd century…how very convenient! And the Tikhov is a ship from the same era (but doesn't look like any 23rd century ship) that for some reason is still in service 1000 years later…How incredibly convenient! And it suffered a tragic accident (the CORONA hits in the 32th century! Ok, this was really bad luck on the writer's part…) just a few weeks ago…What a coincidence! And it's just about to be destroyed by a magnetic storm…How lucky Discovery is here just now!
And of course hearing there were Barzans on board made clear from the start that it was time to say goodbye to comander Nhan, especially as she had not been integrated clearly in Discovery's command structure anyway. I guess the actor had other projects to pursue, after all?
I found Starfleet's headquarters really underwhelming…As I mentioned above, the concept they would chose to go with was easy to imagine, but the visuals were very generic looking. Also: what are doing all those ships there exactly? Perhaps they are preparing a major offensive against this Orion-Andorian sindacate? And they must be REALLY short on resources to have finished triage space…
All in all a very mediocre episode, a six just because the MU stuff is promising. Quite a setback from the previous ones this season in my opinion.
Also, Tal was surprisingly useless in this episode…The admiral goes "I know you", then "actually I don't know you, so I'll be an asshole to you, go and disappear from the rest of the episode" and that's it.
And leaving Saru behind as if he was some kind of hostage…really?!
And leaving Saru behind as if he was some kind of hostage…really?!
Or a splinter group of the Federation that was cut off and has become its own group.Could it be that the V'draysh is the Section-31 of the 32nd century?
The same reason we have seed vaults now, it's always nice to have a backup just in case.
Erect a Level-10 forcefield to keep Tribbles out!
That's what I thought. It would also fit with the description of "unexpected" villain.
Mixed bag this week. Loved Cronenberg. I’m no fan of Georgiou, but this was the most interested I’ve been in her. She benefits from sharing the screen with an antagonist with gravitas.
I also enjoyed the crew’s excitement at seeing all the Federation ships. Wish we got a better look at them.
Too much technobabble, too, I’d say. Too over-egged in general. All the coincidences felt contrived. The seed story reminded me of the Old West one in that it felt like I’d seen it before and seen it done better. I appreciate the more episodic approach, but I hope they don’t end up relying on shorthand tropes to fit everything in.
I didn’t enjoy the return of insubordinate know-it-all Burnham. I’ve really liked her this season, and this felt like a big step back. I was glad it was addressed in the story, but I wish they’d move beyond that characterization.
I also enjoyed the crew’s excitement at seeing all the Federation ships. Wish we got a better look at them.
Too much technobabble, too, I’d say. Too over-egged in general. All the coincidences felt contrived. The seed story reminded me of the Old West one in that it felt like I’d seen it before and seen it done better. I appreciate the more episodic approach, but I hope they don’t end up relying on shorthand tropes to fit everything in.
I didn’t enjoy the return of insubordinate know-it-all Burnham. I’ve really liked her this season, and this felt like a big step back. I was glad it was addressed in the story, but I wish they’d move beyond that characterization.
It's all the rage in sci-fi these days. These big fleets all hang out doing nothing right at their government headquarters, so that the villains of the week can destroy their government with one attack. Just like how the First Order destroyed the New Republic over at that other Star franchise.
Star Trek can't resist having everyone being jerks to the next Trill host for some reason. There was literally an entire episode where everyone from Garak to Worf to arguably even Sisko was being a jerk to Ezri.
This was a pretty small operation, could easily be several groups claiming the title of the seat of the former Federation. Especially if travel was severed, they may never even run into each other
Or its possible that S31 (if it still exists in the 32nd century) spread the word V'drays as a new name for itself.
But I think we know form the writers that V'drays is basically the same as Federation. It just ended up changed as a result of passage of time.
Yeah, this didn't make any sense to me.
Trek ships should be able to evade a CME easily at sublight (nevermind Warp), and Federation shields should easily be able to fend off CME (for crying out loud, ships like Enterprise-D and Voyager in the 24th century already had Metaphasic shields which allowed them entry into a star's corona's and to stay there for hours).
And, next to all the technology in the 32nd century (aka, automation), why didn't the ship automatically raise shields upon detecting CME, warned the Barzan family and Warped out of there at top speed, or left using maximum impulse? This automated response could have been done EASILY in the 24th century.
Its possible the Thikov was relatively unsophisticated compared to most SF ships... but if that thing was kept for 1000 years and then either rebuilt and/or continually refitted with newest technology, a CME should not have affected it (at all).
That, or, sensor technology really ended up going down in quality/capability by the 32nd century.
Seriously, ships alone could scan dozens of ly's by the late 24th century (Voyager's regular sensors had a range radius of 40 Ly's).
By the 32nd century, I'd expect sensor technology to use improved version/analogue of Astrometrics technology (which had a range of 2500 Ly's on Voyager in late 24th century) with a galactic range at most... or what Sahil had with 'short range' sensors at least.
Are the writers going to pay attention to this or give us a bit of an explanation?
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Another good Discovery this week, but with no Space Catte... But Oded Fehr! David Cronenberg! The best but most subtle visual gag of the season.... And BTW Nhan's decision was totally right for Starfleet and the Federation, no conflict that I could see. Looks like the plot arc to get Empress Gorgeous back to her own show has started, and yeah Detmer totally has PTSD, take it from me.
Trivia question: Has there been any episode where Burnham doesn't cry?
Sucks that Nhan left. Hope she returns at some point. At least Nilsson got to speak a sentence, would like to see more of her character development. They should show her having dreams or hallucinations about Airiam. You know....look in the mirror and see Airiam looking back.
I gave this one a 7.
Sucks that Nhan left. Hope she returns at some point. At least Nilsson got to speak a sentence, would like to see more of her character development. They should show her having dreams or hallucinations about Airiam. You know....look in the mirror and see Airiam looking back.
I gave this one a 7.
Well, 'convenient' could also be a product of random circumstances.
And, its not that unlikely to think 32nd century SF wouldn't make a connection between what happened 1000 years ago and what affected the Kili.
Disco did have a 'fresh' perspective on the matter.
But as you already know, I didn't buy the CME killing the family... its just a huge letdown by the writers (classical dropping the ball and unable to work with the technology of the era).
As for SF HQ... I did like most of it, but it seemed... small-ish.
I was hoping for something... bigger... like the Yorktown Starbase but say that its been 'modified' to look fit for 32nd century (at least).
Also, that 'flying rainforest' seemed just 'tacked on'. Seriously, couldn't they design something far more aesthetically better looking that looks better 'integrated'?
On the plus side... the Federation/SF is FINALLY using Neutronium. I wonder when they started using it though... I hope it was in the 25th century (not having it or good counter-defenses for it in the late 24th century after having a Planet Killer for study for all that time was REALLY stretching it).
I was a bit... dismayed the writers also had Burnham try to talk to dr. Attis instead of Nahn.
I mean, come on... who better to connect with him than a Barzan (who was on the freaking away mission).
It would have made her 'goodbye' a bit more... potent.
yes, but only a few, especially from season 2 onwards.
Ok, but we have an awful lot of coincidences here!
Nah, we know MB is the best person to connect to anyone...I mean, in last week’s episode they actually spelt out she was the best to connect with a Trill she had never met because.
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