Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x05 - "Die Trying"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Commander Richard, Nov 11, 2020.

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Rate the episode...

  1. 10 - Oh, nice!

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  2. 9

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  3. 8

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  4. 7

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  5. 6

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  6. 5

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  10. 1 - Dead dull.

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  1. Tuskin38

    Tuskin38 Admiral Admiral

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    Culber gave a very good reason why.
     
  2. Deks

    Deks Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    No argument there... just saying that random circumstances could sometimes align themselves to appear 'convenient'.

    Plus, this is Trek... the writers have a tendency to do this all the time (which is admittedly something I don't enjoy).
    You may have noticed they have a tendency to disable vital technology on a starship (just because), or dumb down technology to make their story 'workable' (as opposed to adapting the story to work WITH the technology and setting).

    Lol... I like MB, but she would have been better off not being used like this. I mean, even when Saru said to the Trill rep he'll be sending his medical officer and the symbiont to the surface (which was a good choice), Culber ends up asking MB to replace him (even though he listed 'life altering experiences' that he himself underwent as well - just because she spent a year more in the 32nd century though, doesn't make her the best to talk to 32nd century folk).

    Culber also shifted to MB in this episode too.
    Perhaps the problem lies with Culber. He is hardly immune to PTSD... and while he technically 'recovered' from his experiences... he was BARELY out of it by the time Disco jumped to the future... maybe the writers will touch on this at some point... but I think Nhan would have been better used to talk to dr. Attis.

    MB could have been kept in the bg a bit more (at least on that front) and maybe even mention to the admiral the information she compiled in her year of being in the 32nd century about the Burn... perhaps SF had some more of those 'missing pieces' she mentioned.
     
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  3. CorporalClegg

    CorporalClegg Admiral Admiral

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    Frankly, I think Hugh came off as a bit of an ass.

    But I think that was with the writing - or rather the scene breakdown of the episode. It does such a poor job of giving any substance to the doctor or his family, I wasn't sure what I was supposed to feel.
     
  4. jackoverfull

    jackoverfull Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    ehr...sure, almost as good as the reason Saru remained behind on this episode! :biggrin:
     
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  5. valkyrie013

    valkyrie013 Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I liked it! Seeing the future ships in detail was quite, nice and a Voyager J! Tee hee!
    I had a thought that the Federation would just comendeer the ship, and strip it for parts, especially the Dilithium.
    And the CME is like the Titan thing from Ep3 just.. insert some other thing.. like for this, the ship was IN an Ion storm when found, just say THAT, or a Neutronic Wave Front, or 10 other different Trek Babble reasons. A CME?? Come on! Somebody with some common sense needs to read over the scripts and say, ugh, 99% good, but this part.. no, I know we're not hard scifi but we do TRY to get stuff right when we can!
    And Na'an.. Guess they didn't have anything for her to do for .. however many episodes, so just jetesoned her for abit.. Which sucks because I thought a relationship between her and Empress would have been nice.
    and DAVID CHRONENBURG? Wow.. Thats a left field guest shot.. and he was freaking awesome!
     
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  6. Tuskin38

    Tuskin38 Admiral Admiral

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    It was a perfectly logical reason
     
  7. EnsignRedshirt

    EnsignRedshirt Lieutenant Red Shirt

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    I'm still a little confused about Nahn staying behind. So, is she now on a ship/vault where her only living companion will be dead in a few days and she'll be hanging out by herself for months or years with no prior training or any idea of how things run?

    I mean, Discovery was outta there within seconds of Michael beaming back to the ship. I would've liked to see something like Culber sending some medical supplies over with a line or two like, "this is some <technobabble> you can use to treat the guy. It's not as good as him coming into sickbay, but you can still save him"

    Right there then you have a good reason for Nahn to stay behind by having her treat what's-his-face, and now you aren't leaving her on a ship by herself that she knows nothing about.

    I love this season by and large, but it does seem like they're occasionally allowing easily fixed plotholes in favor of big emotional moments.
     
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  8. thribs

    thribs Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    There is a continuity issue I’ve noticed. Tilly immediately knew what the J meant on Voyager which is odd since the Enterprise was the first ship to do the letter designation.
    That J could have meant anything to her.
     
  9. The Habs Fan

    The Habs Fan Commodore Commodore

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    Is it for sure stated that Enterprise is the first ship to get a letter designation? I don’t remember that.

    Anyway, I really enjoyed this episode. I’m finding this season very intriguing and have no idea where it will go from here. The 32nd century is fresh and exciting.
     
  10. fireproof78

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    Starfleet had the policy in place but hadn't used it. Simple.
     
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  11. Kzinti

    Kzinti Commander Red Shirt

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    the holo's were lying to faze her none of it was true
     
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  12. Yistaan

    Yistaan Commodore Commodore

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    Off duty at Federation Headquarters

    Vance: Let's relax while we retrofit Discovery with the latest technology. Why don't you regale us with tales of the good old days in the 23rd century? What was James Kirk like?

    Burnham: Who?

    Also, with no indication of any civilian government that Admrial Vance answers to, has the Federation become a military junta?
     
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  13. Paul755

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    “You mean Lt. Kirk. The student-instructor at Starfleet Academy? They used to call him a Stack of Books with Legs”.
     
  14. Ralph O Ward III

    Ralph O Ward III Ensign Red Shirt

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    Actually, Smiley was willing to resort to kidnapping and blackmailing to get Sisko to help his rebellion at least twice. The terran rebels were just as willing to fight as dirty as the alliance and past empire was. Only difference between them and the alliance was that the alliance had the power and the rebellion did not.
    The Terran rebellion was as amoral as the terran empire was.
     
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  15. Kzinti

    Kzinti Commander Red Shirt

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    uh what? :vulcan:
     
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  16. Lord Garth

    Lord Garth Vice Admiral Admiral

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    On a more interesting note:
    Big Bad of the Season! Guaranteed. I'm really looking forward to it.

    Book, Adira, Chronenburg. They're three for three.
     
  17. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk Sgt Pepper Premium Member

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    IIRC. the D was the only Enterprise ever called the flagship.
     
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  18. plynch

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    Dear Extra Most Bestest Person Ever Burnham,

    Please. Stop. Crying.

    So annoying. Plus your arrogance. A Navy ship from 1776 pulls up at the Pentagon and its first officer starts telling the secretary of the navy how he should assign the crew in 2020.

    Sheesh, I tellya.

    And you were so less annoying the first couple episodes.
     
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  19. Lucky

    Lucky Commander Red Shirt

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    8/10. Very good episode. I'm intrigued by what could be ahead.
     
  20. SolarisOne

    SolarisOne Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    That was probably him screwing with her.