Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x14 - "Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Commander Richard, Apr 18, 2019.

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  1. Mechanoid1

    Mechanoid1 Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Damn it! I'm in the mirrored universe again. Darn that spore drve.
     
  2. Mechanoid1

    Mechanoid1 Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    So they say....wheres the beef? Theres alot of pie on the sky. Yet after tonight we wont have anything until when?
     
  3. Gonzo

    Gonzo Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Lorca as well but thats just one possibility, they may just can kick it into next season.
     
  4. ITDUDE

    ITDUDE Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Basically Burnham has messed up so many lives with her existence in both Prime and MU.
    Think about it. No Klingon War, Lorcas (both PU and MU would be alive), same for Georgiou (MU version would be happily in charge of MU). Jett Reno's wife would be alive. Detmer not injured, S31 would not be building Control, poor Lealand would be still human, USS Gagarin intact, U.S.S. Shenzhou intact countless lives not lost.
    At some point Burnham will realize the universe is better place without her having ever existed, just like Ashton Kutcher in Butterfly Effect. And you bet we're going to be all over the writers for stealing this plot point from that movie :D
     
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  5. Gonzo

    Gonzo Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I think that the reset if it happens will not be enough and Burnham will have to go further using the suit, in the end she may realise that it is herself and her actions since her parents death that need to be undone, she is after all a nexus of the time loop along with Control.

    So a version of Burnham would exist that never lost her parents or met Spock, the Burnham we know would remain protected by the suit and would then stay in the future so the past (Discovery present) is preserved.

    Lots of possibilities when you mess with time.
     
  6. Alan Roi

    Alan Roi Commodore Fleet Captain

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    Except for the fact she didn't start the Klingon war, the Klingon's did, that's all great.
     
  7. Gonzo

    Gonzo Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Yeah, see the post I made in reply to @Jackson_Roykirk a mere moment after you posted this. :beer:

    Many possibilities.
     
  8. ITDUDE

    ITDUDE Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Ah but she killed the first torch bearer. Events would have unfolded completely differently without her being there. More than likely the war could have been avoided.
     
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  9. element7ero

    element7ero Ensign Red Shirt

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    love(d) the new additions (Pike, Spock, the sadly very rarely seen Jet Reno and Number One) as well as the Bridge crew getting fleshed out a little bit so far and hope there is more in the finale (and beyond in whatever way/form)

    I'm intrigued on what happens, but I have low hopes that they can pull it off in a way that doesn't feel over dramatic, over rushed/stuffed and has a decent story.
     
  10. Alan Roi

    Alan Roi Commodore Fleet Captain

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    And as that turned out, killing him meant no difference going forwards.

    Just as likely if not more so, the war happens, as the Captain's are all like Georigiou and continue to insult the Klingon's by claiming "we come in peace", but with no Spore drive, the Federation is toast, end of story. But hey, like you and me, everyone's got an opinion.
     
  11. ITDUDE

    ITDUDE Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    What did Spore drive actually do in the war? Yeah Lorca shot up a few ships, big deal. Couldn't save Gagarin anyhow.
     
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  12. Alan Roi

    Alan Roi Commodore Fleet Captain

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    Maybe watch Season 1 to find out?
     
  13. eschaton

    eschaton Commodore Commodore

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    The supposed great victories of Discovery in the war happened off camera and were only briefly mentioned
     
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  14. Gonzo

    Gonzo Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Burnham will have the opportunity to alter the entire situation, it may not have been T'Kuvmas intention to trigger a war with the Federation at that time, he wanted to bring the Klingons back together, the error was Starfleets in bringing their own fleet to the party with that idiot of an Admiral, what would have happened if Burnham had hit Georgiou a bit harder I wonder.

    Burnham could identify a way to short circuit the whole situation, by destroying the Sarcophagus ship (an option but unlikely) or having a quiet word with T'Kuvma just like she can do with Leland and her mother to make sure the suit is never created and her parents never disappear/die.

    That would not undo Burnham herself immediately though as she is wearing the suit which protects her from the changes and effectively removing her tether to events, she can then stay in the future.
     
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  15. Alan Roi

    Alan Roi Commodore Fleet Captain

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    My prediction:

    The squidified probe being sent back from the future and taking over Airiam ends up being revealed as as the timeline's McCoy/Edith Keeler moment and the consequences of its changing the past are what ultimately erases the future where Control took over the galaxy, just like McCoy's saving Keeler changed the future in a similar manner.
     
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  16. Alan Roi

    Alan Roi Commodore Fleet Captain

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    Except it was T'Kuvma's intention to trigger a war with the Federation to bring the Klingons back together.
     
  17. Gonzo

    Gonzo Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Yes but it didnt happen quite in the way he expected although Starfleet were just as stupid as usual, he never anticipated that Burnham and Georgiou would turn up early or kill him as a result.

    Ultimately Burnham was right which means its a potential point of change if Burnham wants it to be.
     
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  18. Alan Roi

    Alan Roi Commodore Fleet Captain

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    Doesn't fix the future however in any way I can think of, which is the problem, as we've seen, and again, perhaps makes things worse. Dr. Burnham try everything she can think of to do so and nothing worked. Allowing Control, however, to come back into the past may be what changes things, as in City on the Edge of Forever.
     
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  19. tomalak301

    tomalak301 Fleet Admiral Premium Member

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    Does anyone know how long this episode is going to be. I wouldn't mind a 90 minute finale.
     
  20. Haunted House of Qo'nOs

    Haunted House of Qo'nOs Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I'm not expecting a timeline reset or the Borg, but I'm definitely afraid of them! But at least the forum meltdown will be entertaining if that happens.
     
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