Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x14 - "Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Commander Richard, Apr 18, 2019.

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  1. SJGardner

    SJGardner Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Yes, I'm assuming that. There were a few posts upthread that seemed to imply to me it could be reasoned with because it's sapient/sentient. Though if it's decidedly subsapient and just a piece of intelligent software working within the confines of its programming, then it would be definitely easier for me as well to accept it being convinced to purge itself from the system. But ultimately, you're right, we haven't seen anything yet that would suggest it has already evolved to sapience.
     
  2. Discofan

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    But we know for a fact that once the sphere data will have merged with Control, the resulting being will destroy all sentient life in the galaxy... So either it won't be on top, or it has in itself the desire to kill billions of people. Either way, its destruction is a lesser evil.
     
  3. SJGardner

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    Do we actually know it would be a full-on merger as opposed to subsumption-integration though? It might be possible that the resulting AI would only be malicious if it was created by Control forcibly integrating the Sphere data into itself. I'm thinking about this because we've only ever seen the Sphere Data exhibit an instinct for self-preservation. That could be taken to mean Control was a more powerful entity at this point as it has already shown initiative and agency on its own. Maybe if Control's efforts were delayed enough that Zora actually emerged from the Sphere Data, it would have a much harder time merging and either of the two could end up on top.
     
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    That could be a consequence of its desire for self-preservation. If it places that desire above all else. It could decide that the only way to assure it's preservation is to destroy everything that could possibly get in the way, IE all sentient life in the galaxy. It's just a matter of priority. Take a robot with the three laws of robotics (I think Asimov wrote a story about that) if the robot is convinced that not only he is a human being but a superior form of human being then it could conclude that it's survival is more important than that of any human being and by extension that it should make sure that only human beings of its type remain.
     
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    I think if we actually saw the merger of the two, the writers could decide on any way to proceed. There are already too many "ifs." I think at the "intelligence levels", for lack of a better term, we have seen Control and the Sphere Data embedded in Discovery's computer operate, a merger would end up with the more intelligent Control integrating the Sphere Data into itself as a subroutine or maybe even as raw data it could analyze to it's heart's content. If Zora emerged and was of a comparable sentience to Control, their situation might be end up more like Tuvix, with all the wildly unpredictable results it could entail. And of course, if Zora became fully sentient, which Control was explicitly stated not to be yet, she might be able to fight off Control's code and stay herself.
     
  6. publiusr

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    You mean "the papal mainframe herself" to steal a Dr. Who quote.
     
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    Careful now ;)
     
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  8. Trinity Gingerbread

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    and being a sphere it would roll off
     
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  9. Ar-Pharazon

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    I think you're forgetting the 4th dimension physics of a successful relationship.
     
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  10. Trinity Gingerbread

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    That is true. I knowingly was haha. I was showing my anti-sphere bias.
     
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  11. Discofan

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    Actually, the sphere data is not a sphere. I mean it could be contained inside a sphere or a cube or something looking like Leland (but not the actual Leland) but it doesn't have a shape per se.
     
  12. SJGardner

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    Of course not. It's an oblate spheroid. Although there are a few weirdos who keep claiming it's flat.

    ... I just couldn't resist :lol:
     
  13. Discofan

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    Think of that next time you peel a potato... there could be sphere data in it.:D
     
  14. Trinity Gingerbread

    Trinity Gingerbread Time is the thief of life Premium Member

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    And with that I'll leave you here with the real life Paul Stamets

     
  15. SJGardner

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    For some reason I'm starting to have sudden urges to buy that TOS Enterprise-shaped pizza cutter I keep seeing in online stores all over the place.
     
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    Let the Mycelium run...... The spores must flow
     
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  17. SJGardner

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    So in Season 3, Discovery will found itself in a region ravaged by a trade war between the galaxy's biggest Spore Barons. And maybe the British East India Beta Quadrant Company trying to conquer everything to get a monopoly... alright, I might be just joking, but come to think of it, a setting resembling the Age of Sail with all the swashbuckling adventures might even end up being great.

    ... or as the spores are hallucinogenic, Discovery's crew will have to come to terms with the fact that they basically have to become drug runners to sustain themselves, and the existing Spore Cartels won't exactly be happy about any new competitors.
     
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  18. Discofan

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    When people find out that the mycelial forest can bring people back from the dead... It will like the countless other miraculous ways of becoming immortal that have been shown in the franchise... IE swept under the rug and never spoken of ever again!:rommie:
     
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  19. SJGardner

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    I'm still hoping for an episode to show the secret Section 31 vault where all these forgotten classified technologies are kept in locked containers. Last time I've heard, the flashdrive with Control's remains was placed right on top of the the crate containing Ark of the Covenant.
     
  20. Discofan

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    Not to mention the little gizmo that gives Spock a new sibling/girlfriend each time you press it.:D

    BTW, I've noticed five or six people who recognize the black badge without explanation. It's funny when you know that Sisko didn't even know they existed less than a century later.
     
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