Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x10 - "The Red Angel"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Commander Richard, Mar 21, 2019.

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  1. 10 - Leaps and bounds ahead of anything Trek has done before.

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  2. 9

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  3. 8

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  4. 7

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  5. 6

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  6. 5

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  8. 3

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  10. 1 - Oh boy, what a mess.

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  1. CommanderRaytas

    CommanderRaytas DISCO QUEEEEEEN Premium Member

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    Poor Stamets was about to call Sexual Harassment Panda.
     
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    ...until Shatner gets the chance to write a book. ;)
     
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  3. cultcross

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    It doesn't make perfect sense because the only reason future Burnham could know she needed help was if Present Day Burnham survived and remembered it. So the plan relies on Burnham surviving. And even if it did make sense, it's pretty weird that only Spock noticed what I assume the whole audience was shouting - "future Burnham knows it's a setup, dumbasses, because past Burnham knows it". There's a particular stupid moment where Burnham says something like "i deserve to know everything about this plan" Well no, you're the last person who should be told anything about it. You're basically an unwitting spy at this point.

    Plus, now we know it is in fact not Michael, there's no way that the Angel should have known about what they were doing; so it working is apparently now either a complete fluke, or the entire story is a predestination paradox and events played out exactly like this anyway, and there is no 'first time through' the timeline, which is quite a different presentation to Trek's usual take on time travel.
     
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  4. Noname Given

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    What 'usual take'?

    I ask because we've had TOS episodes like:

    - "Tomorrow Is Yesterday": Where they beam an F-104 pilot aboard, have an adventure and somehow beam him back before any of the events happen (yet when beaming into himself his mass doesn't double; and somehow the future him beamed in doesn't recall anything (Yet everyone on the 1701 remembers everything...):wtf::rofl:

    - "City On The Edge of Forever": Where a drug addled McCoy jumps through an alien artifact goes back to Earth in the 1930ies and changes history to the point that neither the 1701 nor the Federation exists - leaving Kirk and Spock to go through the same artifact to set things right.

    And then there's TNG:

    - "Yesterday's Enterprise": The 1701-C comes into the Future and EVERYTHING INSTANTLY CHANGES - adventure ensues; but once back through the rift, 'Time' returns to normal (at least until TNG S5 - "Redemption II" where we see the results (although technically Sela was "In The Shadows" since TNG S4 - "The Mind's Eye").

    - "Time's Arrow: Where Mark Twain comes through a time portal to the 24th century (yetr nothing changes in the 24th century); and again adventure ensues and he ultimately returns to the 19th century to deliver a message and help our heroes save Earth yet again.

    My point: If there's ANYTHING that' consistent about the depiction of Time Travel in Star Trek; it's that said depictions have no consistency. Like Warp Drive distance traveled via a certain Warp Factor, the depiction of Time Travel in Star Trek is beholden to the needs of the plot.

    Therefore the depiction of Time Travel in this episode was 100% consistent with every other Star Trek depiction of Time Travel. :nyah::whistle: ;)
     
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  5. The Vast Loneliness

    The Vast Loneliness Ensign Newbie

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    I thought the episode was good. Too bad Hannah Cheesman couldn't have played the role. Showing her face kinda ruined it. Why Sarah Mitich gets to play the role again isn't as cool as if Cheesman got to play the role. Sarah quit. Hannah wanted to stay on. Weird.
     
  6. The Vast Loneliness

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    The red angel reveal was cool. Well executed all around.
     
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  7. Agony_Boothb

    Agony_Boothb Commodore Commodore

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    I do love that they were not afraid to say 'Gay' in this episode. If this had been Berman Trek and they had actually had the guts to have two men be in love you know the line would have been 'You do know he mates with men?'
     
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  8. Sarxus

    Sarxus Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    I think it was a great episode, easily one of the best season 2 episodes so far. It was extemely thrilling (especially the last 10 minutes, that was intense), touched classic Star Trek topics like selflessness and being ready to sacrifice oneself for the greater good, and it finally brought big reveals.

    I just wonder actually why they gave away more or less the season's biggest secrets already in episode 10 out of 14.
     
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  9. Agony_Boothb

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    Mitich didn't quit. She's played Lt. Nilsson since the start of the season. The issue was Mitich developed problems with the make up, not with working on the show.
     
  10. The Vast Loneliness

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    Ok, thanks for the info, I did not know that. It is still too bad Cheesman was able to deal with the makeup and her thanks is to be killed off, while the actress who couldn't stand the makeup gets to stay on the show.
     
  11. Noname Given

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    Sarah didn't quit per se - she was having allergic reactions to the materials used to apply the prosthetic pieces needed for the character of Airiam. It's why they continued to use her in other background shots. It was beyond the Actresses' control in that no one would expect her to sacrifice her health and well being for a TV role.
     
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    I was actually hoping Sarah Mitich's Nilsson character was going to be revealed as our mysterious chief engineer and get a sizable role living up to Scotty, La Forge, Tucker, Torres. Now it seems that Mitich just went back to being one of the many background people on the bridge. :( Hopefully she'll get more to do.
     
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    Do you have a link for that? When I first heard about the new actress playing Airiam, I tried to find out why but could not find any info, only speculation.
     
  14. The Vast Loneliness

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    Can't argue the logic. At least one Airiam actress was brought back. Hopefully they find a way to bring Airiam back. Maybe the Klingons or some other alien race will find her drifting in space and revive her and then somehow she'll be rescued/reunited with the crew in season 3....you heard it first here :)
     
  15. The Vast Loneliness

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    Same here. Never heard that was the reason Sarah left.
     
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    That's kind of the vibe I was going for tbh, albeit not definitively pointing towards the borg.
    True, but I was rather disappointed that it felt as though the idea that people could hold multiple sexual preferences was dismissed as something only the "evil" counterparts could possibly entertain. Feels like the standard dismissal of bisexuality/other that often goes with modern societal views, if not going even further.
     
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  17. BillJ

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    I'm of two minds on this one, so I'm not voting. There's part of me that would give it an '8', there's another part that tells me this is a barely a '5'.

    Acting is solid all the way around, beyond the Burnham/Tyler scenes. The time travel doesn't make much sense, as @cultcross points out above. The Discovery could've beamed Burnham up instead of waiting for the Red Angel to appear. The Section 31 stuff is pretty dull. The Red Angel reveal was the "out of left field" reveal I was fearing from the show.
     
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  19. urbandefault

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    I usually watch these episodes 2 or 3 times so I can fully digest the story. So far, I've seen this one just the one time. I'll get in a couple more over the weekend.

    Regardless of my opinion, I always vote 10 in the poll. You know, just to piss off the haters. :techman:
     
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  20. BillJ

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    I treat a 10 the same as I treat a 1.
     
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