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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x08 - "If Memory Serves"
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I disagree, I as a viewer would have preferred the remastered recap.
Looking at https://trekmovie.com/2009/05/02/tos-remastered-review-of-the-cage-w-video-screeenshots/ , I don't see what's wrong with it.
The wrong is that it's not old, and it's different from Discovery version of Star Trek.
Shouldn't the creature that pursued young Michael have had a roar like Godzilla's? Like in TAS episode, "Yesteryear"?
The original Enterprise was in the opening. So it has nothing to do with it being different.
Technically this ep was a sequel to the Cage that Disco pulled. And Shakespeare himself liked writing sequels as well as prequels (Henry IV and V were written years after Henry VI for instance). FYI, enjoyed Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead as an example of someone playing amusingly in the Bard's backyard. You didn't?
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What a neat opening. The modern take on the planet is nicely done too.
Like the back story of Spock and Michael
Vina is awesome homage to the original.
Tayler is annoying, but perhaps Voq will come back. At least the fight with dr had some action.
Dont know where Stammets and Colbert is going.
Airiam is going to sabotage everything.
Like the back story of Spock and Michael
Vina is awesome homage to the original.
Tayler is annoying, but perhaps Voq will come back. At least the fight with dr had some action.
Dont know where Stammets and Colbert is going.
Airiam is going to sabotage everything.
It's been a while since we had alien possession of a crewman in Star Trek...
Just a little addendum here. Bob very much did want the original material to remain in existence and be preserved, though. Like many of us, he wanted it to be a side-by-side thing where both would always be available for viewing. I had a nice phone conversation with him in 2004. He was very pleased that film clips left behind on the cutting room floor were being preserved and restored.
A 9 for me. Best episode of the season. Seasons 1&2 are reminding me of season’s 3&4 of Ent. Both shows featured tense action heavy drama in a breakthrough season followed by a season with stories woven around Trek lore. Worked out great for Ent and is kicking ass for DSC as well.
So, the big “thing” that happened between Burnham and Spock was Burnham’s show of racial insensitivity toward Spock. I loved the subtlety used to get this message across. Delivering messages about the human condition has never been a problem for Trek. The issue has usually been about delivering that message with subtlety which I thought was beautifully accomplished here. And the depth of the irony of having that racial epithet hurled by a black character was mind boggling for me.
On a less philosophical note; Vina’s legs.
The cold opening with the clips from The Cage left me sputtering. In another thread weeks ago I speculated about the possibility of DSC rebooting The Cage. I was half kidding, but now, who knows? They’ve opened the circle with Pike (whose quieter moments remind me a lot of Kirk’s), and Vina, so they’ll need to close it, right?
Great Saru moment when he explained why he allowed the Culber/Tyler fight to go on.
I’m guessing it’s Georgiou controlling Arian, but I’m probably wrong. Phillips did seem to know that there was something not right about the ease with which Leland was allowed to capture Spock and Burnham.
An altogether great episode that left me panting for more.
So, the big “thing” that happened between Burnham and Spock was Burnham’s show of racial insensitivity toward Spock. I loved the subtlety used to get this message across. Delivering messages about the human condition has never been a problem for Trek. The issue has usually been about delivering that message with subtlety which I thought was beautifully accomplished here. And the depth of the irony of having that racial epithet hurled by a black character was mind boggling for me.
On a less philosophical note; Vina’s legs.
The cold opening with the clips from The Cage left me sputtering. In another thread weeks ago I speculated about the possibility of DSC rebooting The Cage. I was half kidding, but now, who knows? They’ve opened the circle with Pike (whose quieter moments remind me a lot of Kirk’s), and Vina, so they’ll need to close it, right?
Great Saru moment when he explained why he allowed the Culber/Tyler fight to go on.
I’m guessing it’s Georgiou controlling Arian, but I’m probably wrong. Phillips did seem to know that there was something not right about the ease with which Leland was allowed to capture Spock and Burnham.
An altogether great episode that left me panting for more.
Or the harsher 'Death Penalty' is instituted AFTER the incident we just saw in the episode (IE Section 31 deciding this planet REALLY needs to be made 'off limits' for the good of The Federation.) From this perspective TOS S1 - "The Menagerie is 10 - 11 years into the future.
It was a conflict that was going to happen sooner or later. They got it out of the way. Saru was right
Um, go rewatch TOS - S1 "This Side of Paradise"; S2 "Amok Time"; S2 "Mirror Mirror"; S3 "The Savage Curtain", and I could probably find more. Leonard Nimoy's Spock was plenty 'actionized' if a story called for it.
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The original print of "The Cage" was lost after "The Menagerie was made. Thus for years the only surviving parts of "The Cage" was only what had been used for "The Menagerie." Then a B&W version of "The Cage" was found and Paramount did the first 'remastering' of it with a combination of the B&W and color footage.Yes it is, I watched it this morning on my Amazon Prime account.
(it's the Bonus video at the end of the Season-1 list)
(it's also the ORIGINAL REMASTERED version, though WTF that means is beyond me)
A few years after that someone found a full color version of "The Cage" in the garage of one of the people who originally worked on it - so CBS then did another clean up remaster of it with it now being in full color; and the call it the 'ORIGINAL' remastered version because the original version of "The Cage" screened for NBC execs was in full color.
Oh please the Star Trek timeline was already completely altered by the events of the TNG feature film ST:FC - and we know that because we SAW the results in ENT S2 - "Regeneration" - which rippled through EVERYTHING post ENT.
The Star Trek timeline is altered every five minutes. Seriously. Trying to flowchart the entirety of the Star Trek time continuum would be like trying to draw a Klimt inside a Pollock with an Etch A Sketch.
Excerpted from Mr. Mandel's Star Charts, circa 2002. This is what's been revised by last night's episode.
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Picard wouldn't have stood for that crap...
Digressing, I think the scene works if it's part of a bigger plot revolving around Saru coming to terms with his new angry side. If that's dropped after this, then meh.
Kinda like how the ep bringing to good doctor back was kinda cringey, but I've accepted it since it was the starting point for a VERY interesting storyline about how Hugh never did come back and the new guy is a new man. I hope they don't bail on that one either.
He can see them. In ways we cannot comprehend.And La Forge can't see any trees.
Also, I might be alone in this...
Regarding the scene with Spock on the ice planet looking up at the sky just before the Red Angel descended. Did anyone else have a flashback to ST09 (Old Spock watching Vulcan destroyed) and get excited thinking "OMG they're going to tie things together in a... universe splitting... something?". I know it makes zero sense, but it flashed thru my head for a fraction of a second.
Yes, that was definitely a ST09 flashback for me as well.
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This Vina wasn't quite as perky. She seemed more beaten down and vulnerable. She seemed to fit better as a character stuck on Talos IV. And the Talosians seemed more mean - kind of back in the shadows demanding things.
Not really liking the "New Saru." I LIKED the old Saru. I'm hoping that losing the fear doesn't make him a testy prick and he seems to be heading in that direction.
Come on, Spock. Get real. You're adult enough (especially after she explained why) to get over what happened. She was trying to SAVE you in her young, immature way. As an adult, she'd have probably figured out a better way. While you're not as annoying as Quinto's Spock was written (emo-Spock was what I called him), you're being a bit of an ass.
As much as I liked Mack's book, I'm really not into the Control thing. I hope that doesn't become dominant.
Section 31 doesn't seem quite so adept as it should be. And I'm getting bored of Georgiou, particularly when the writers *MUST* bring in her kewl fighting skills. Zzzz.
I wish they'd have skipped the whole Section 31 bit. I wasn't a big fan of it in DS9.
The Culber angle is interesting. I didn't foresee this part of his return. Will be interesting to see if he does fall for Stamets again, or not. Poor Stamets. Can't buy a break.
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