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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x08 - "If Memory Serves"

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Keep in mind -- with this episode, we have confirmation that the Red Angel is fucking with the timeline.

So now we have an answer. Why does Spock never mention Burnham, and why does Amanda call him an "only child" in TOS? Because TOS occurred in the timeline where Michael died as a kid.
When did she say this?
 
Indeed. I think the reason this opening resonated so much, was precisely because of how much a statement it is. The direct, hard cut from Jeffrey Hunter's Pike to Anson Mount has probably done a more effective and better job at putting this entire show into the larger Star Trek tapestry than all the previous episodes and references before combined. We now know exactly how this show relates to the other ones - not just on a story level, but even it's approach to canon and aesthetics.

Also - it's completely bonkers and unexpected. The absolute opposite of "playing it safe". And I like that. Now let's have a musical episode down the line. :guffaw:

As for the future - I still have a hard-time reconciling Burnham as a "real" step-sister with Spock. When re-watching TOS, this part will probably not go into my larger head-canon considerations - Nimoy-Spock will for me stand on it's own, not connected to Burnham (even though Burnham clearly exists). But everytime we see Pike and Vina? I'll absolutely include this episode into their larger history. Head-canon is weird, and I make my own rules.;)

Agree on all points. But I'd add that this was the first time when I thought there was a possibility that I could, eventually, add Burnham into my mental image of Spock.
 
It's where ever the writers say it is.

It's "southeast" of Earth, and if Earth straddles the border, and "north" is pointing to the Galactic Core, then that's clearly the Alpha Quadrant, regardless of its location on the Z axis.

Now, if Talos is only two lightyears from Starbase 11, why did 2254 Pike insist on heading to the Vega colony with his injured crew? Why did Kirk and "Mendez" hop into a shuttle with only a small amount of fuel incapable of making a trip of four lightyears?
 
I did think the TOS theme became jarring as the recap went along. I'm a sucker for anything TOS, but the jazzy theme wasn't really the right tone for clips from a serious episode. Kinda undermined the drama. (And could give people who haven't seen the Cage the wrong idea about what it's like.)

I kept hoping to hear that theme music for the Talosians. You know, the one that sounds like a twanging bedspring or door stopper, which the series used often to convey "look out, something weird or disgusting is coming"
 
It's "southeast" of Earth, and if Earth straddles the border, and "north" is pointing to the Galactic Core, then that's clearly the Alpha Quadrant, regardless of its location on the Z axis.

Now, if Talos is only two lightyears from Starbase 11, why did 2254 Pike insist on heading to the Vega colony with his injured crew? Why did Kirk and "Mendez" hop into a shuttle with only a small amount of fuel incapable of making a trip of four lightyears?

The answer is: Talosians.
 
Now, if Talos is only two lightyears from Starbase 11, why did 2254 Pike insist on heading to the Vega colony with his injured crew? Why did Kirk and "Mendez" hop into a shuttle with only a small amount of fuel incapable of making a trip of four lightyears?

Asking the real important questions! ;)
 
TBH, the first season felt, at times, like it was ashamed to be Star Trek, particularly in terms of design and tone. This ep, on the other hand, felt like it was embracing the franchise and its rich history. I wouldn't want this sort of fanservice every episode, but I thought it had value here.

You could say this at various points of each and every Star Trek series (including TOS). Most Especially TNG Season 1.
 
They tend to have the A/B stories and then a slow-burn C story that becomes the A or B in a few episodes time (like Tilly and Mae). I think this will happen with Culber too.
That's pretty much how all shows on CBS work, going back to the mid seasons of JAG.
Yeah, it's not a novel way of storytelling by any means, but has been the way Disco tends to be structured. It's a more common way to tell stories today than the episodic A/B plots of nineties Trek.
 
Meh, Scotty's shuttle in ST09 had one. I guess it's a thing with bigger shuttles. The Galileo might have had one in the aft compartment.

And the shuttle in Best of Both Worlds Part II had an escape transporter, as did Chakotay's shuttle in the VOY ep where he meets Kazon!Nog. That it never came up in TOS isn't evidence they didn't have them (Galileo Seven is about the only place it might have come in handy and the shuttle had low power there - in The Enemy Within the shuttle wasn't even shown so natch)
 
No mention of General Order 7 or the death penalty, even after a recap of "The Cage" and them calling the Prime Directive General Order 1. All they said was "off limits" and "restricted airspace". I'm guessing it's one of those things Disco ignores?
 
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