Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x04 - "An Obol for Charon"

[Awesome Possum]

In the future Bowie will be as weird as Mozart is today

Loving the Alien has probably taken on a whole new meaning by then.

 

[thribs]

I want to hear what 23rd century music sounds like. Not boring songs that are 300 years old.

 

[Nyotarules]

Man, that was good! It raises such interesting questions. Does General Order 1 prevent Saru from telling his people the truth about their condition? What would be the consequences of that? I hope they have some good answers before the series end.

I hope they don't go down the road of 'all the Kelpians were wiped out this is why you never heard of them again' which would be short sighted considering the many species which make up the galaxy and the Federation that the franchise mentions once and then never again. After all there were four main races that created the Federation and yet we hardly see them at all except for boring humans dominating the universe. (Yeah I know the audience cannot identity with different races .... ironic huh).

 

[Nyotarules]

So you’re saying Tilly wouldn’t enjoy something from Mozart.

I write 'tomato' and you seem to read 'Leningrad'....

 

[DaveyNY]

Have we seen a Denobulan yet.
I don't think I have.

 

[Amaris]

I write 'tomato' and you seem to read 'Leningrad'....

No, you were wondering how Tilly would like a song by David Bowie, but now you’ve said that Bowie will be seen as normal as Mozart is today. Millions of people listen to and enjoy Mozart. So where is your beef? Why can’t Tilly like Bowie?

 

[CorporalClegg]

True, if you mean the original emotional intent by the composer. I thought you meant being unable to properly replicate the music itself.

Well, both really.

As for the latter, I'm skeptical of that too. I mean take even the best current Beatles cover bands with extremely talented guys playing songs off Revolver and then go listen to Revolver. It's never the same, despite them having the original to listen to. Heck even compare them doing Eleanor Rigby to a current live performance of Paul's.

 

[thribs]

Have we seen a Denobulan yet.
I don't think I have.

Since they have 300 year lifespans, Phlox could still be around.

 

[Nyotarules]

No, you were wondering how Tilly would like a song by David Bowie,

No I wrote I did not accept that Tilly would have a 300 year old song as her favourite song (whether it was David Bowie or Chuck Berry is irrelevant)

My original post
'How many present day 20 something year old humans have a 300 year old song as their favourite? That scene was too corny'

but now you’ve said that Bowie will be seen as normal as Mozart is today. Millions of people listen to and enjoy Mozart. So where is your beef? Why can’t Tilly like Bowie?

See above

 

[Amaris]

Well, both really.

As for the latter, I'm skeptical of that too. I mean take even the best current Beatles cover bands with extremely talented guys playing songs off Revolver and then go listen to Revolver. It's never the same, despite them having the original to listen to. Heck even compare them doing Eleanor Rigby to a current live performance of Paul's.

Empathy makes it easier for the former, especially if we understand the context surrounding the creation of that composition. Regarding the latter, there’s always going to be some drift. With the digital recordings, though, that limits drift. I hope.

 

[Amaris]

No I wrote I did not accept that Tilly would have a 300 year old song as her favourite song whether it was David Bowie or Chuck Berry is irrelevant


See above

I had a 200 year old song as my favorite song. Your whole premise is incorrect.

 

[dahj]

I was hoping this would be in the closing titles:

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[Nyotarules]

I had a 200 year old song as my favorite song. Your whole premise is incorrect.

And out of the millions of 20 and 30 something year olds you are representative because......?

 

[Amaris]

And you are representative because......?

Because you made no exception.

 

[DaveyNY]

No I wrote I did not accept that Tilly would have a 300 year old song as her favourite song (whether it was David Bowie or Chuck Berry is irrelevant)

My original post
'How many present day 20 something year old humans have a 300 year old song as their favourite? That scene was too corny'



See above

Of all the things people have found 'lacking' with DISCOVERY, this is really the pettiest of them all.
Isn't it a shame that you can't jump a couple of centuries into the future and come back to tell us exactly how music will be remembered.
Makes for a really inane stance to take about the show.

 

[Awesome Possum]

The average person may not be a fan of Bowie even if they are aware of him. But Tilly isn’t the average person. Bowie sung a lot about the weird, the misunderstood and the suffering people in the world. Based on how she described her childhood and life I can see how she would connect to that.

She also represents a certain element of the fandom and I wouldn’t be surprised if they aren’t fans of Bowie too.

 

[Nyotarules]

^^

I so agree, treat it like TMP, the tech was always part of the 23rd century.
What next, another reason why female captains exist in Starfleet, why Starfleet is not called the UESPA anymore? Stop giving in universe reasons for production design changes.
How many present day 20 something year old humans have a 300 year old song as their favourite? That scene was too corny
However I give it an 8.5, love Linus, more of him please! The Babel scene was funny, Reno and Stamets mutual hate fest- thumbs up! Finally that scene between Saru and Burnham, there was no dry eye in my house. The Tilly situation, well they had to come up with a way to end spore hopping so its as good as any.

This is my original post, one throwaway comment line out of 10 lines ...yeah very petty

 

[Nyotarules]

Of all the things people have found 'lacking' with DISCOVERY, this is really the pettiest of them all.
Isn't is a shame that you can't jump a couple of centuries into the future and come back to tell us exactly how music will be remembered.
Makes for a really inane stance to take about the show.

You are a member of a site where people discuss the minutest details of a 50 year old sci fi franchise...yeah I'm very petty

 

[DaveyNY]

^


This is my original post, one throwaway comment line out of 10 lines ...yeah very petty

AH, but then you really didn't want to let it go, multiple posts later, did you?

 

[CorporalClegg]

I want to hear what 23rd century music sounds like. Not boring songs that are 300 years old.

How do you know music in the 23rd century won't sound a lot like songs that are 300 years old?

Pro tip: it probably will.

There is a point at which an art form breaks beyond the confines of the zeitgeist. There's a growing number of musical anthropologists that believe it's about there. Because musical taste doesn't change for its own sake. It changes to keep up with socio and technological evolution. But we've near reached the point where it doesn't have to anymore.

Classical music isn't a product of artists of the 18th and 19th centuries, it was a product of the technology and social structures available to them at the time. The exact same can be said for the Beatles in the 60s, Bowie in the 70s, and Duran Duran in the 80s. But we've reached a point where musical instrument innovation has become mostly stagnant. And many believe that we're about there for digital applications. And - globably speaking - socio and political restrictions are much less impactful.

To wit, we're at a point where there's no reason for music to evolve beyond experimentation. And experimentation can only go so far, especially with something as subjective as music where people tend to fall back on what they know. And the I V vi IV songs aren't going anywhere any time soon.