Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x04 - "An Obol for Charon"

[Jackson_Roykirk]

Would somebody please explain to me or give me an example where the Kelpians have definitively been described as a food source in the Prime Timeline, because as far as I can tell, it was only in the Mirror Universe that it was confirmed.

In The Vulcan Hello, Saru describe his people as livestock.

"Your world has food chains. Mine does not.
Our species map is binary. We are either predator or prey.
My people were hunted. Bred. Farmed.
We are your livestock of old."

 

[Amaris]

In the future Bowie will be as weird as Mozart is today

Mozart isn’t weird. Mozart was a wunderkind, as was Bowie. You’re really stretching this whole thing.

 

[Lonemagpie]

Good Discovery again - actually living up to the name of the show, huzzah! - was it just me or was the red alert siren kind of distorted this week?
Looks like next week we'll get to the "this is why they don't have Spore Drive in the other shows" part...

 

[Nyotarules]

Though they seem to be backing away from that now.

Its a shame they did, Wakanda is more advanced than Starfleet lol

 

[Romulan_spy]

Fantastic episode! Easily my favorite Discovery episode ever. It was pure Star Trek. It had contact with a strange entity, communication rather than violence and some beautiful themes of legacy and remembering after death. The scene between Saru and Michael when Saru thinks he is dying, was very touching. 10/10!!

 

[Nyotarules]

Mozart isn’t weird. Mozart was a wunderkind, as was Bowie. You’re really stretching this whole thing.

Which is my point......
There were/are many wunderkinds in modern popular music, but I guess only the ones you like make it on your list.

 

[Noname Given]

Would somebody please explain to me or give me an example where the Kelpians have definitively been described as a food source in the Prime Timeline, because as far as I can tell, it was only in the Mirror Universe that it was confirmed.

From the first ST: D S1 - "The Battle At The Binary Stars":
Read more: https://www.springfieldspringfield....-show=star-trek-discovery-2017&episode=s01e01

This was while on the U.S.S. Shenzou:

Saru: "Your world has food chains. Mine does not. Our species map is binary. We are either predator or prey. My people were hunted. Bred. Farmed. We are your livestock of old. We were biologically determined for one purpose and one purpose alone: to sense the coming of death."

Also, go watch the Short Trek: "The Brightest Star" - where we see just what the Baul have set up in the Prime Universe, and how Kelpians are 'farmed' (Seriously, it's part of a Kelpian religion of sorts).

 

[Amaris]

Which is my point......

She said Bowie was for the weird kids, the misfits, the out of place. She was right.

 

[CorporalClegg]

"The Way to Eden" managed to achieve the worst of both worlds: shamelessly mimicking 1960s hippy music in an anachronistic way while trying to make it "futuristic" at the same time. With risible results.

Which is why I'm perfectly fine with them never trying at all.

Instead, they did what every other series does: pick a song everyone knows that is contextually relevant. Frankly, as far as I'm concerned, Star Trek should've always done this.

 

[JD]

Disco music is oddly popular with 20 year olds now. Some people do like to deep dive into music they didn’t grow up with, that would continue to happen in the future. It’s probably not everyone but Starfleet seems to consist of a lot of geeks and weird kids, they’re going to get into some obscure stuff. A few are going to discover Bowie and I find that to be wonderful.

By the time we reach the 23rd Century people like David Bowie and The Beatles will probably be looked at the same way Beethoven and Mozart today.

 

[Aeolusdallas]

Wait, did I misunderstood something or did Reno say that somebody else was chief engineer, not Stamets?

Stamets was never cheif engineer or for that matter even an engineer. He's science division.

 

[CorporalClegg]

By the time we reach the 23rd Century people like David Bowie and The Beatles will probably be looked at the same way Beethoven and Mozart today.

Not likely.

The problem with classical composers is there's no way someone from today can experience their compositions in their original intended form.

Data files for Diamond Dogs and Revolver will exist for all time.

 

[Amaris]

Not likely.

The problem with classical composers is there's no way someone from today can experience it in its original intended form.

Data files for Diamond Dogs and Revolver will exist for all time.

I agree in part, but sheet music gets us pretty close. Probably.

 

[Nyotarules]

She said Bowie was for the weird kids, the misfits, the out of place. She was right.

Three hundred years from now Bowie will part of popular music history, I doubt he will be considered weird in 2256. Whether future misfits will identify with him none of us will be around to know. Today's musical misfit is tomorrow's mainstream, study the history of hip hop which is now as mainstream as fish n chips, go back even further study the history of jazz.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

By the time we reach the 23rd Century people like David Bowie and The Beatles will probably be looked at the same way Beethoven and Mozart today.

As will the writings of those two giants of literature, Harold Robbins and Jacqueline Susann.

 

[Nyotarules]

By the time we reach the 23rd Century people like David Bowie and The Beatles will probably be looked at the same way Beethoven and Mozart today.

Exactly

 

[CorporalClegg]

I agree in part, but sheet music gets us pretty close. Probably.

Sheet music doesn't account for the invocation of emotional nuance, which is the purest essence of the artform.

 

[Lokiberry]

Man, that was good! It raises such interesting questions. Does General Order 1 prevent Saru from telling his people the truth about their condition? What would be the consequences of that? I hope they have some good answers before the series end.

 

[Amaris]

Three hundred years from now Bowie will part of popular music history, I doubt he will be considered weird in 2256. Whether future misfits will identify with him none of us will be around to know. Today's musical misfit is tomorrow's mainstream, study the history of hip hop which is now as mainstream as fish n chips, go back even further study the history of jazz.

So you’re saying Tilly wouldn’t enjoy something from Mozart.

Sheet music doesn't account for the invocation of emotional nuance, which is the purest essence of the artform.

True, if you mean the original emotional intent by the composer. I thought you meant being unable to properly replicate the music itself.

 

[DaveyNY]

From the first ST: D S1 - "The Battle At The Binary Stars":
Read more: https://www.springfieldspringfield....-show=star-trek-discovery-2017&episode=s01e01

This was while on the U.S.S. Shenzou:


Also, go watch the Short Trek: "The Brightest Star" - where we see just what the Baul have set up in the Prime Universe, and how Kelpians are 'farmed' (Seriously, it's part of a Kelpian religion of sorts).

But that doesn't actually confirm that they are truly used as a food source.
It only confirms what the Kelpians have been led to believe.
All we see is that they are 'beamed'(??) away.
We don't actually see them being used AS food in the Prime Universe.
Nor is it obvious that that is true, based on how Burnham reacts to Emperor Georgieu offering her some in the MU.
Michael is aghast at such an act.
If the Kelpians were known as a food source, I'm pretty sure Captain Georgieu would have known that and conveyed it to Star Fleet and the Federation.
Wouldn't she?