Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x04 - "An Obol for Charon"

[Greg Cox]

That's a very charitable 'potentially' there
.

"The Way to Eden" is actually a cautionary example of how silly it can look when you try to "futurize" alien music, slang, etc.

"We reach, Herbert!"

 

[Burning Hearts of Qo'nos]

Disco music is oddly popular with 20 year olds now. Some people do like to deep dive into music they didn’t grow up with, that would continue to happen in the future. It’s probably not everyone but Starfleet seems to consist of a lot of geeks and weird kids, they’re going to get into some obscure stuff. A few are going to discover Bowie and I find that to be wonderful.

And Tilly is like, a nerd among nerds, for that matter.

 

[Nyotarules]

https://www.everydayhealth.com/columns/therese-borchard-sanity-break/7-ways-to-stop-obsessing/

So you plan to stop responding then Great obsessive one, says the pot to the kettle

 

[oberth]

This will go against my own belief that it's not too crazy for them to be listening to our music, but I don't know whom that band is, lol... and after looking them up, it is because they are way before my time.

unfortunately not before mine

 

[drt]

• I liked the development for Saru (I got a bit of an ominous sense from his discussion of feeling 'power'; maybe it was just me)

I had a similar thought...

 

[UssGlenn]

Some people do like to deep dive into music they didn’t grow up with, that would continue to happen in the future.

For example, I use 1963 as a convenient cutoff for my musical tastes, I like stuff after that point but there is less and less of it as you approach the present, (symphonic soundtracks excluded).

 

[Noname Given]

Your sound is off since I never said it or implied it.

I don't know how the TOS music came across to its audience in the 1960's but at least the writers made the effort to make something up (whether its good or bad). In the Eden episode, the Federation hippys did not go around singing Nat King Cole or whatever was popular back then in the real world. Uhura in Conscience of the King sang a song which in universe was probably very popular. To my modern ear it sounds old but at least they tried. Other fans would prefer they not bother and stick to what is in universe old stuff and what to us is in living memory, I prefer they make the effort e.g the VOY Klingon music scene with the doctor being an example of what I mean, that scene made sense in universe, and in real life, it sounded alien to me.
Tilly having Bowie (or any other 20th century artist) as a favourite song does not make sense to me. Stamet's Uncle Beatle's cover band, had my eyes rolling, the Prince comment had my eyes rolling down my face and on my lap.
In the Star Trek future the only music that survives is either jazz, European classical music, or the US/UK old top 40 hits ..yeah ok

But the guitar rifts/tambourine, etc. were VERY MUCH in keeping with and sounded exactly like the stuff many popular Rock Bands were playing at the time. (IE - It DID sound like contemporary 'popular/rock' music of the 1960ies.)

 

[Greg Cox]

"The Way to Eden" managed to achieve the worst of both worlds: shamelessly mimicking 1960s hippy music in an anachronistic way while trying to make it "futuristic" at the same time. With risible results.

 

[oberth]

When Data wanted to learn more about humor, the Enterprise D selected Joe Piscopo as the comedian that should teach humor... I think Bowie is a much safer bet.

joe who?

 

[Noname Given]

Similarly, I thought the dialogue between Michael and the dying Saru was pretty leaden, and the connection between them felt unearned. But then I really liked how they resolved Saru's impending death. That felt like a brave character decision -- and was a twist I actually didn't see coming.

Remember tha Saru and Burnham served together for 7 years on the U.S.S. Shenzou prior to Saru ending up on the Discovery after the BotBS; and Burnham arriving/appearing again on the Discovery because of Captain Lorca. My point?

At the start of the first season of ST: D all the former Shenzou crewmembers were utterly pissed at Burnham because they felt she betrayed them and Captain Georgiou; but as time went on she did redeem herself at least in Saru's (and Demetier's) eyes - so after that 'forgiveness, here are two people that have worked together and gotten to know one another (to the degree that each was comfortable with) for 7 years prior to the year or so we've seen of them on Discovery. <--- That's plenty of time to have a 'relationship' like the one we saw portrayed in Saru's quarters.

If the ganglia were parasitic (and/or symbiotic) organisms, it seems that medical exams over the course of Saru's career would have revealed this somehow.

Kor

IDK - Given he's the ONLY Kelpian Starfleet doctors have had the chance to study in depth, how would they know as they have no baseline to compare? Saru IS the Kelpian baseline subject here; and hell, even 23rd century Kelpians didn't know this was the case.

(The Baul probably know, but they're the one's perpetuating the 'myth' to keep their food supply docile and controlled.)

 

[plynch]

Or back in the seventies, when the movie The Sting repopularized Scott Joplin and ragtime for a spell.

Which was way out of date for a movie set in 1936, though I love and even have composed some classic ragtime!

 

[Crewman6]

she did redeem herself at least in Saru's (and Demetier's) eyes

Eye. (singular)

 

[Crewman6]

Geeze, folks, it's a song ABOUT AN ASTRONAUT. It's probably required reading at the Academy. Along with "Rocketman."

 

[cultcross]

Along with "Rocketman."

Shatner's version of Rocketman would have been a great choice as her favourite song

 

[Noname Given]

Eye. (singular)

The other 'eye' is cybernetic, but it's STILL AN EYE.

 

[Nyotarules]

Bowie will always be there for the weird kids, even in the future. There’s probably a lot of weird kids in Starfleet. Tilly is one of us and Bowie is immortal, he just became music.

In the future Bowie will be as weird as Mozart is today

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

Though they seem to be backing away from that now.

The won't be any damn holograms on Pike's Enterprise!
The images look too much like ghosts. Rip 'em all out!

 

[DaveyNY]

Remember tha Saru and Burnham served together for 7 years on the U.S.S. Shenzou prior to Saru ending up on the Discovery after the BotBS; and Burnham arriving/appearing again on the Discovery because of Captain Lorca. My point?

At the start of the first season of ST: D all the former Shenzou crewmembers were utterly pissed at Burnham because they felt she betrayed them and Captain Georgiou; but as time went on she did redeem herself at least in Saru's (and Demetier's) eyes - so after that 'forgiveness, here are two people that have worked together and gotten to know one another (to the degree that each was comfortable with) for 7 years prior to the year or so we've seen of them on Discovery. <--- That's plenty of time to have a 'relationship' like the one we saw portrayed in Saru's quarters.


IDK - Given he's the ONLY Kelpian Starfleet doctors have had the chance to study in depth, how would they know as they have no baseline to compare? Saru IS the Kelpian baseline subject here; and hell, even 23rd century Kelpians didn't know this was the case.

(The Baul probably know, but they're the one's perpetuating the 'myth' to keep their food supply docile and controlled.)

Would somebody please explain to me or give me an example where the Kelpians have definitively been described as a food source in the Prime Timeline, because as far as I can tell, it was only in the Mirror Universe that it was confirmed.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Did anyone else notice the return of that classic Star Trek staple, the random use of the number 47?

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/47

 

[Burning Hearts of Qo'nos]

Did anyone else notice the return of that classic Star Trek staple, the random use of the number 47?

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/47

I pointed this out to my roommate and he was like, 'omg tell me later this episode is amazing!' Or maybe it was later in the episode, either way, he wasn't having any of my history lessons till the episode was over.