Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x15 - "Will You Take My Hand?"

[Nerys Myk]

Section 31

 

[Ovation]

Section 31

Just to play with canonistas, it’ll be Section...32.

 

[Amaris]

Section 31

I'd be happy never to see Section 31 or the Borg ever show up in a Star Trek series again. Section 31 because they're like a child's version of a secret organization, and the Borg because holy shit, the Borg.

Just to play with canonistas, it’ll be Section...32.

Some will call it... Tim.

 

[Vger23]

I don't know. It seems like this might actually further the argument that the Federation is the Klingon Empire's greatest adversary. This is just one more instance of a peaceful resolution to a conflict. This war, the flare ups in STIII, STV, and STVI, and the rising ternsions that ended with the Enterprise C's sacrifice all resulted in escalating levels of peace and more stable and regularized diplomatic relations. Hell, the brief war in DS9 even lead to a successful alliance with the Romulans. The Federation always manages to end things in peace. Even when it shouldn't be possible, like the war over Organia in Errand of Mercy, a race of omnipotent beings interfered to force a peace. To a species and culture that prizes honor won through war and conflict, the enemy that somehow always manages to make you their friend is the greatest foe.

I think the implication is that Starfleet would have won the war pretty handily if the Discovery had not gone missing for 9 months. With that absence, they lost not only their best, most effective weapon in the war, but they also lost the spore drive.

Which raises the question on whether during the war Section 31 has seized control of the Admiralty in "Discovery" and the Federation Council, in very desperate time after devastating losses, just went along with their "nuke bomb" plan to obliterate the Klingons once and for all.

I guess we'll find out eventually about S31's involvement during the first season sometime in Season 2.

I think the entire series should be about Section 31. Like, they should literally change the name to "Section 31- A Star Trek Story about Section 31." That's how awesome and essential to my enjoyment of Star Trek Section 31 is.

 

[Kane_Steel]

She can be a Captain and still not get the center seat. Commander is just her rank. McCoy was a Commander forever.
A new Captain every season sounds fun. Especially if they get top talent.

It also makes the Captains seem disposable since they're constantly coming and going, and sadly throws the central focus to Michael Burnham.... which I suppose is intentional.

I'd be happy never to see Section 31 or the Borg ever show up in a Star Trek series again. Section 31 because they're like a child's version of a secret organization, and the Borg because holy shit, the Borg.

31 was handled so well on DS9, especially juxtiposed against the Obsidian Order and the Tal Shi'ar. It made sense.

31 was handled so poorly though on Enterprise and STID. If 31 ever happens again, I want it done by a team that can do the concept justice. Someone with the talent of the Ds9 producers.

 

[The Memetic Susurrus]

You fail to realise 'Tyler' is really Voq. He is where he belongs.

Respectfully disagree. Physically, he's an amalgam, with Voq's skeleton and human organs (and, presumably, musculature) grafted onto him, plus Tyler's skin. Then Tyler's engrams were overlaid as a secondary personality structure over Voq's, with a codephrase-trigger to subsume the Tyler engrams so as to allow the underlying Voq personality to take charge.

But L'Rell somehow disconnected the engrams--the memories--from Voq's spirit, katra, soul, whatever the Klingons call it. Voq then died, leaving behind only the cold engrams. No personality, no animation, nothing left but the engrams of Tyler.

By my count, that means that the body is three-quarters or so human--with, apparently, only Voq's altered skeleton, brain, and heart left of the original Klingon frame--and, now, an almost entirely human mind.

He's more human than anything else and whatever else he may have begun as is irrelevant as it's in Sto'Vo'Kor.

 

[rhllot]

Agreed. For once I'd like to see a crew that reflects the diversity of the United Federation of Planets. I don't want to see a crew that's 85 percent humanoid, one Vulcan, one android/Borg, and one Klingon.

I love saru is my favorite character and doug jones is an extraordinary actor, but I want to see aliens classic aliens that were part of the federation at that time I would like to see a caitian or a denobulan for example.
I think that instead of creating so many new aliens they have to use the ones they already have as members of the federation and have more of these aliens as members of the crew. I'm tired of always seeing humans

 

[picardjean-luc]

I think the entire series should be about Section 31. Like, they should literally change the name to "Section 31- A Star Trek Story about Section 31." That's how awesome and essential to my enjoyment of Star Trek Section 31 is.

I would definitely watch it

 

[The Memetic Susurrus]

As a Klingon with human sympathies, he's much more useful on the other side. The ultimate mole.

Utility to Starfleet really wasn't what I had in mind when I found myself being drawn to the character, to be honest

However, yeah, I suppose his influence might be useful to the Federation in the long run. But, to be frank, do you honestly think the Klingons would respect him one iota? They didn't respect him when he was Voq. I do not see them respecting this Frankenstein's Monster now. He'll be lucky to last a year there, considering he's physically weaker than Klingons and, because he now is, fundamentally, human in outlook, he's going to have all the hangups that humans have (and Klingons don't).

I would not mind seeing him again, but...it just wouldn't make sense. They had their chance to make a good character out of him. Now...?

 

[picardjean-luc]

I think the entire series should be about Section 31. Like, they should literally change the name to "Section 31- A Star Trek Story about Section 31." That's how awesome and essential to my enjoyment of Star Trek Section 31 is.

I'd like to see a Trek series set entirely in the Mirror Universe as well. The ship's captain is always changing every other episode, because in the MU if you want to advance through the ranks, you know what to do

 

[Nerys Myk]

It also makes the Captains seem disposable since they're constantly coming and going, and sadly throws the central focus to Michael Burnham.... which I suppose is intentional.

How long to real life COs remain in command of a ship/base/unit?

 

[Vger23]

I'd like to see a Trek series set entirely in the Mirror Universe as well. The ship's captain is always changing every other episode, because in the MU if you want to advance through the ranks, you know what to do

Actually, I am amazed at how much fun the DSC Mirror Universe episodes were. I was really iffy (that's being generous) about the rumors of a MU arc in this season.

Honestly, they could have spent all season there and I think I would have had a blast. I don't know why...can't explain it...it's stupid and makes no sense. But, it sure as hell is fun.

 

[cooleddie74]

The ENT Mirror Universe episodes are still my favorites in the modern era of Trek but the DSC ones were okay for the most part. Wildly uneven, but largely entertaining.

 

[Mudd]

So now, according to Star Trek, the way to build a better future is to get a really big bomb into the right hands - preferably a dispossessed cultist.

That's pretty...daring, actually. These people may have terrible judgment, but at least there's provocative.

 

[ClintDagger]

Gave it an 8/10 but that was helped by how they finished the episode and had me looking forward to S2.

As to the bulk of the episode, it was just too neat & tidy. Burnham getting a full exoneration & return to rank is a bridge too far for me.

 

[marsh8472]

They didn't put the registry numbers on the bottom of the saucer

 

[Vger23]

Gave it an 8/10 but that was helped by how they finished the episode and had me looking forward to S2.

As to the bulk of the episode, it was just too neat & tidy. Burnham getting a full exoneration & return to rank is a bridge too far for me.

I was bracing for whether or not I'd buy her inevitable reinstatement. But, if Picard can be back in command of the Enterprise after essentially being complicit for the deaths of 1000's of fellow officers and the destruction of massive amounts of Starfleet hardware/assets at Wolf 359 without even a hearing or psych leave...I guess it's not so unprecedented.

Hell, I had to remind myself that Kirk hijacked a heavy cruiser, sabotaged an experimental starship, nearly started a war with the Klingons, and destroyed the ship he hijacked...and was essentially rewarded for it. Imagine if some US Navy captain commandeered an aircraft carrier for his own personal errand, got into an armed conflict with the Chinese, and scuttled the carrier as a result? Holy shit!

Once I put it in perspective of other Trek occurrences I was really ok with it.

 

[Nerys Myk]

They didn't put the registry numbers on the bottom of the saucer

I'm sure those responsible have already committed seppuku.

 

[cooleddie74]

They didn't put the registry numbers on the bottom of the saucer

The numbers are there and exactly where they are on the TOS and TOS-Remastered models. Just mostly hidden by the ASININE LIGHTING LEVELS ON THIS SHOW. Sheesh, at this point a Hardy Boy with a flashlight would provide more illumination than the environments shown on this series.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Someone elsewhere suggested anson mount and I gotta say I thought he would be perfect. I'm not personally hung up on the idea that they look alike to be frank. I just Think Anson would play the hell put of a captain pike.

Now THAT is a good one! He has just the right kind of troubled and tortured look to his face to pull it off.