"Space is dark. Really dark. You just won’t believe how vastly hugely mindbogglingly dark it is. I mean, you may think it’s dark when you turn off the lights and sit in the cupboard, but that’s just peanuts to space. Listen..."
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x15 - "Will You Take My Hand?"
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Hmm. No immediate ideas of my own, honestly.
FWIW, Jeffrey Hunter was 38 when he played Pike in "The Cage," which seems to be about the same age as intended for the character; Bruce Greenwood was 53 when he did ST09, and played him a little older and more avuncular. Basically, though, pretty much any actor who's around 40-50, give or take a few years, should be fine for the role in this time period. (Especially given that Hollywood actors tend to play "younger" than real life... when they're 35 they're playing 25, when they're 25 they're playing high schoolers...)
I'm not personally familiar with the work of most of the possibilities you mention in your post, but based strictly on appearances, Michael Trucco seems like a good match. (Boreanaz is also close, but I've just never cared for his work... he seems like a nice guy, but he can't act his way out of a cardboard box.)
Star Trek: Hell on Nacelles.I can dig that.
I wonder if there would be possibility of the Discovery meeting up with the Farragut at some point. I believe there is a young Lieutenant James T. Kirk serving aboard her in this period.
Space is also empty. It is not a sky dominated by vast florescent magenta cloud nebulae.
The so-called designer of this look evidently Googled "space" and found a couple of Hubble images. Research accomplished!
He is! At least until the dikironium cloud creature disaster sometime in 2257. After that we don't know where he is in canon until he takes command of the Enterprise, although we do know that he conceived David with Carol Marcus in 2261 and had at least two romantic relationships during the interim period between the two ships.
Based on my exprience, all soldiers, sailors, marines and airmen, including their CO's, generally last anywhere between 2 to 5 years per assignment and then rotate elsewhere. The official reason for this is to give the soldiers a breadth of experience and skills in as many different environments and theaters of operation in preparation for when they muster out and join the civilian workforce. I was told once, by a Master Sergeant, that the real reason for this is to prevent a long-standing cadre of soldiers to become loyal to a base commander rather than exclusively to the Commander-in-Chief, lest said CO decides he doesn't like what the President is doing for any particular reason, political or otherwise, and proceeds to stage an armed insurrection with a bunch of loyalists. Keep everyone moving around in all different directions for their entire career and it doesn't give anyone time to put down roots and form large groups with strong - and potentially dangerous - opinions. Makes sense from a certain POV, I guess. Pain in the ass, though, when you have to break in a new GPOC every couple of years. Horrible for preserving the institutional memory at the administrative level for a program.
Sounds about right from what I recall of my Dad's time in the USAF.
I'm glad they showed the Enterprise. If you're going to set it in this timeframe, people are going to expect it. I'm looking forward to it.
By making Michael be Spock's not quite sibling, the showrunners have consciously decided to go there. So, I'm not surprised that they're going there again! I for one am glad. Yeah, it does introduce some difficulties, but so far I think they've used the connections to good effect. YMMV.
At first, I was a bit dubious about going that route with the Michael/Sarek connection. But they've won me over. Again, YMMV.
However, regardless of our personal takes on whether they should go that route, they have already decided that's the route they're taking. Having an encounter with Spock is a logical extension of that--which is why I said that it was the entire point.
Well, we'll see how they manage it. I'm sure that we all hope they can pull it of successfully!
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You say that now, but... where'd you go?
The Hardy Boys and the Mystery of Why the Hell This Show Can't Turn the Lights Up.
Yo bro, chill! You're going to bust a gasket! Your preaching to the choir anyway. I am first and foremost a TOS fan. Personally, I would have loved it if they just popped the TOS Enterprise in without modification. But, they're not going to make that type of decision based on a minority of hard core fans for a 50 year old show.
Call it modern or whatever you want. It's a numbers thing. They need to make a large number of people happy in order to make the show profitable. The visual designs, including the Enterprise, are going to be done in such a manner as to pull in the most people. You can call that a modern design, or whatever else you like.
Again, you and I would be fine without an update, but if they design the show for people like us, it's not going to draw in enough subscriptions!
I've been posting here for almost 20 years (typing that is scary, by the way) and the one thing I've learned in all that time is to never assume everyone -- or anyone, for that matter -- has the same opinion as you. Too many people make this mistake and it's an easy trap to fall into. So I felt I had to explain why I have the opinion I do, regarding the Enterprise or Constitution Class appearing in DSC.
On the second part: I can't help wondering, how big exactly do you imagine the intersection to be of the sets "people who haven't seen Star Trek before" and "people who are watching Discovery"?
I don't think there's much intersection at all. Anyone who's watching DSC has probably at least either seen the Abrams Films or some other form of Star Trek, but I'm speaking in the hypothetical in case someone tries to pull the General Audience Card, which they do sometimes.
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As someone who loves the show, I can't help but agree that more lighting is needed. The trend these days* seems to be murky and washed out, and it makes it difficult to differentiate between objects and shadows. Certainly there are places on the ship that wouldn't have as much lighting, but the bridge? The mess hall? Engineering? I need to see shit. Come on, guys, turn the lights up.
*this signifies that I am old. -A
Old, maybe. But also not blind or insane.
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I can't vouch for that last one.
Overall I felt the story was really there, they should have just taken 3 Episodes to flesh it out. L'Rell and the Discovery crew trusting each other should have been an entire episode. In retrospect, I am surprised they spent so much time on the space mushrooms last episode. They could have used to time to further the plot. They had one mushroom left, that could have served as explanation to make a few more jumps.
Favorite part of the episode was the scene between Burnham and Georgiou when the Emperor fired up her phase pistol in preparation to kill Burnham. Burnham told her that she couldn't do it and after a while Georgiou knew it too and almost rolled her eyes at the fact that this Burnham knew her so well and lowered her weapon. I was really glad the Georgiou wasn't killed. Can't wait to see her again. To me, all of her scenes with Michael are golden.
Overall, I thought it was a very satisfying finale. Glad there was no reset. They managed to tie up most of the loose ends. I was okay with the way the war ended, but I wish there had been someone with a bit more juice than L'Rell.
So we got an explanation as to why Georgiou was given command; Starfleet wanted to distance itself from the heinous act they planned. Burnham, who was steeped in Starfleet culture, being one of the first to rebel against the plan was quite appropriate. Who better to point out a moral failure by Starfleet than a Starfleet officer who had experienced a moral failure?
I like that the bridge crew were also considered heroes. It made Burnham's pardon and reinstatement that much more plausible and satisfying. I think it would have been different if she'd killed someone, but a pardon for mutiny, under the circumstances was not at all farfetched.
Tilly was, as usual, a joy. Her "what is happening?" after meeting and realizing Georgiou was the MU Emperor was too funny. She has some barely tapped badass in her. Glad to see she was promoted, if for no other reason than the complaining about her being a cadet can end. We still weren't shown that the crew had any knowledge of the emperor. I wonder what the crew was told happened to Georgiou on the surface.
I watched the episode at my daughter and her boyfriend's home. I had to explain to her why I applauded when I saw the Enterprise came into view. She's not a TOS fan and would have preferred no Enterpprise in DSC even though she's aware that it is a prequel. I told her that it was a special moment, especially for TOS fans. Some fans tend seem to want to dismiss these types of moments as "fanwank", as if to say, "that doesn't affect me, I'm above all that. it's just fanwank".
If you are a TOS fan, I find it hard to believe you didn't feel at least a little goose bumply during that scene. DSC is a prequel folks, so yeah, there's going to be some stuff in it we recognize, otherwise, it's not a prequel.
Derisively referring to the familiar things we see in a prequel as fanwank or fan service, is like voluntarily going into outer space and then going, " oh yeah, darkness".
Overall, I thought it was a very satisfying finale. Glad there was no reset. They managed to tie up most of the loose ends. I was okay with the way the war ended, but I wish there had been someone with a bit more juice than L'Rell.
So we got an explanation as to why Georgiou was given command; Starfleet wanted to distance itself from the heinous act they planned. Burnham, who was steeped in Starfleet culture, being one of the first to rebel against the plan was quite appropriate. Who better to point out a moral failure by Starfleet than a Starfleet officer who had experienced a moral failure?
I like that the bridge crew were also considered heroes. It made Burnham's pardon and reinstatement that much more plausible and satisfying. I think it would have been different if she'd killed someone, but a pardon for mutiny, under the circumstances was not at all farfetched.
Tilly was, as usual, a joy. Her "what is happening?" after meeting and realizing Georgiou was the MU Emperor was too funny. She has some barely tapped badass in her. Glad to see she was promoted, if for no other reason than the complaining about her being a cadet can end. We still weren't shown that the crew had any knowledge of the emperor. I wonder what the crew was told happened to Georgiou on the surface.
I watched the episode at my daughter and her boyfriend's home. I had to explain to her why I applauded when I saw the Enterprise came into view. She's not a TOS fan and would have preferred no Enterpprise in DSC even though she's aware that it is a prequel. I told her that it was a special moment, especially for TOS fans. Some fans tend seem to want to dismiss these types of moments as "fanwank", as if to say, "that doesn't affect me, I'm above all that. it's just fanwank".
If you are a TOS fan, I find it hard to believe you didn't feel at least a little goose bumply during that scene. DSC is a prequel folks, so yeah, there's going to be some stuff in it we recognize, otherwise, it's not a prequel.
Derisively referring to the familiar things we see in a prequel as fanwank or fan service, is like voluntarily going into outer space and then going, "
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