It turns out that the Enterprise has passed through a "Rascals"-type energy anomaly, and the entire crew has reverted to being 12 years old.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x15 - "Will You Take My Hand?"
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Okay, like I said, it's not personal!
The thing is, I see this opinion offered up a lot: that critical masses of contemporary audience members would somehow and for some reason reject the original Enterprise design as looking "cheap" or "dated," even if it were offered up with modern effects and production values. I think this is really just an assumption made with out evidence. (Interestingly, the producers of TNG and DS9 and ENT seemed to make exactly the opposite assumption, and when they did episodes involving the original 1701 always depicted it very faithfully.)
Honestly, I think contemporary audiences would be just fine with it. I strongly suspect that this familiar refrain is just a matter of a small minority of people (albeit apparently including DSC's production designers) who sincerely Do Not Like the TOS "look," and project that attitude onto anonymous hypothetical audiences in order to justify their desire to change it.
Interesting point! It hadn't occurred to me... but now that's one more loose end to wonder about.
Oh, hell yes, of course! Although honestly, I think it was the music more than the look of the ship that really gave me the goosebumps.
I would say people used to look older or at least carry themselves older. My father is 66 but he still seems "middle-aged" whereas my grandfather, when he was 66 was old and he died a few years later. My mother died at 50 (due to cancer) but, at the time, she also didn't seem as old as my grandmother did the same age.
I'm 38 but, again, I'm nothing like what my parents were when they were 38.
It either has to do with our changing culture or lengthening of lifespans that makes people not seem as old as they used to when compared to the generation before.
Jeffery Hunter, at 38, would seem more like someone well into his 40s now. So, yeah, I could see them casting someone as old as 50 to play Captain Pike without it being much of a noticeable difference.
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I was hoping you'd be the one to say it.
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We're getting too old for this shit.
Tilly getting high was fun
If Mirror Lorca returned to the Mirror Universe with the Discovery, didn't Prime Lorca switch back to the prime universe at the same time? Or doesn't it work like that?
Doesn't seem to, the switches usually require the same event to be taking place in both universes, although that raises the question of how the ISS Discovery ended up in the PU, as it seemingly has no spore drive, and definitely has no Lorca altering coordinates.
An 8 for me. It was good, but a few things left me wanting a little... like the lack of Lorca... simply for the fact he was so prominent throughout the first season.
Nice to see the Enterprise - am intrigued to see what they do with the Discoverse NCC-1701...
Nice to see the Enterprise - am intrigued to see what they do with the Discoverse NCC-1701...
I was too old for this shit ten years ago.
Kirk & Picard were never found guilty of anything as far as I can remember. And Picard wasn’t doing anything of his own free will so I don’t think that should be a comparison point, but Kirk going rogue is certainly a fair comparison. Although Kirk by that point had a lifetime of goodwill built up and likely had friends everywhere in SF command that were willing to look the other way. My issue isn’t so much that she was reinstated, but to me it would be easier to swallow if they suspended her sentence and said you’re back in SF but you’re starting at the bottom. To just hand wave it all and put her right back where she was is just odd to me.
She was serving LIFE in prison. It’s not like they discovered new evidence that indicates she was wrongfully accused. I think story wise they made the charge and punishment too severe considering they knew 10-12 episodes later they were going to wipe it all away.
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Some will call it... Tim.[/QUOTE]
Tim the Enchanter ??
Some will call it... Tim.[/QUOTE]
Tim the Enchanter ??
We don't actually know that. The Discovery did switch places with its counterpart despite the ISS Disco having no spore drive. Unless I'm forgetting something, we have no idea whether they switched place with anything the second time - it's entirely possible the wreckage of the ISS Discovery is once again floating around in the mirror universe. And even if not, that's easily explained by the fact that it was already destroyed. Defiant, of course, is neither here nor there. It was a completely unique event and has no bearing on other methods of transfer between universes. (Although again, do we actually even know there wasn't an ISS Defiant in the mirror universe in Kirk's time? Maybe it did cross over to our world just like the USS Defiant goin back 100 years, but was destroyed without humans ever finding it.)
Of course, if Prime Lorca did switch back when Mirror Lorca went to the MU, that raises all kinds of problems in its own right: Would PU appear in his own current location or in the location vacated by the Disco? What if his current location doesn't exist in the prime universe? If inside a ship that wasn't Discovery, would the ship come with him? And even if he was in the Disco, how would he have escaped the (apparently very quick) destruction of the ship by the Klingons.
Honestly, the most logical thing is that he's dead, one way or another. But I'm sure they'll have some weird reason he managed to survive after all.
I find this repeated (not talking about you specifically, just these forums in general) focus on who was or wasn't convincted to be utterly ridiculous. Kirk's situation isn't magically different just because he had the opportunity to save Earth before anyone managed to hold a trial. Actions exactly like Burnham's have been forgiven by Starfleet over and over again in the face of exactly this sort of extenuating circumstances (and often in the face of far less significant extenuating circumstances). Burnham is no different there.
But I do agree the sentence was put too high to begin with. I don't think we've ever seen anyone sentenced to life in prison by the Federation before, and we've seen lots of people do a hell of a lot worse than this.
Kirk and Picard were exempted from a trial due to the Burnham Precedent.
Kirk was found guilty, and his punishment was reduction in rank to Captain. *The crowd cheers*
Just finished watching. Loved the klingon transporter effect when Tyler/Voq and L'Rell beamed out.. Reminded me of the old ST movies.... half expected Tyler to jump on L'rell's back as they were beaming out and yell "Surprise!" just like the whale lady in ST IV.
Overall, I felt the finale was a bit....... low key? I'm not sure if that's the right way to describe it. I still enjoyed it, I think I just expected there to be a little more action or pew pew?
Loved Tilly's little Terran fist bump once she realized who Georgiou was, and Burnham's "Don't do that." Made me LOL.
One Final Note: The orion who Tilly got high with.... isn't he Ron Howard's brother? And didn't he play a ferengi or some other species in a TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT episode?
Overall, I felt the finale was a bit....... low key? I'm not sure if that's the right way to describe it. I still enjoyed it, I think I just expected there to be a little more action or pew pew?
Loved Tilly's little Terran fist bump once she realized who Georgiou was, and Burnham's "Don't do that." Made me LOL.
One Final Note: The orion who Tilly got high with.... isn't he Ron Howard's brother? And didn't he play a ferengi or some other species in a TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT episode?
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