Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x15 - "Will You Take My Hand?"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Commander Richard, Feb 11, 2018.


Rate the episode...

  1. 10 - A wonderful season finale!

    89 vote(s)
  2. 9

    50 vote(s)
  3. 8

    63 vote(s)
  4. 7

    46 vote(s)
  5. 6

    18 vote(s)
  6. 5

    24 vote(s)
  7. 4

    15 vote(s)
  8. 3

    10 vote(s)
  9. 2

    7 vote(s)
  10. 1 - An awful season finale.

    16 vote(s)
  1. Photoman15

    Photoman15 Commodore Commodore

    Mar 31, 2001
    The sunny shores of Trenzalore
    I think that few people are understanding how this "bomb" works. It isn't just a big boom that will break up the planet. It will make the active volcanoes (which some people were led to believe were not active) turn all the underground water instantly into steam. There will so much pressure it will just blow out in all directions, powerful enough to crack the surface. A lot of bang for the buck. Use the planets' natural energy to destroy it.
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  2. Wulfsa

    Wulfsa Lieutenant Red Shirt

    Feb 21, 2017
    Thats crazy. You deserve an Medal of Trek for that. Whats your facepalmcount after 54 Pages. Mine was 20 after one reply. :beer:
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  3. Serveaux

    Serveaux The Wind Premium Member

    Dec 30, 2013
    Satellite of Love
    Klingons make their homes on ticking timebombs. Praxis!
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  4. Mad Jack Wolfe

    Mad Jack Wolfe Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Nov 13, 2008
    The whole Mirror Universe rabbit hole they fell down strikes me as yet another completely wasted opportunity to make the Klingon/Feddy war have any weight at all. Before their little side excursion, it seemed the war was happening to two ships and six people, none of which I was given much reason to care about. Then it gets tied up with a sparkly improbability bow in short order? What a load of-- OOOOOOO!!!! DISCOPRISE!!!!!! So shiny...

    Glad I skipped it.
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  5. Pindar

    Pindar Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Apr 20, 2001
    NCC - 1031
    I lost count after a while
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  6. shakham

    shakham Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

    Mar 28, 2012
    Absolutely understand the tech behind it.

    Issue is the writers shouldn’t have used/defined the tech this way to begin with.

    It’s ridiculous to assume some forgotten/irrelevant t’kumva follower shows up with an iPad with a “claim” and vaults herself to power without any show of force for evidence.

    This is a high stake issue not to be trivially pushed aside with an ipad detonator and a story.

    What we are basically told to believe is that l’rell believes that the feds could destroy them at any time and are willing to do so.

    I think the issue with the episode is they wrapped up too many things with 5 seconds of footage.
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  7. Hey Missy

    Hey Missy Commander Red Shirt

    May 15, 2016
    In the end, they stayed true to the highest principles of the Federation.

    By handing a planet-killing superweapon to an insane religious despot who will use it to subjugate her species.

    I thought it was pretty funny though that the Klings just said "to hell with it" with their plans of conquest, to simply be an occasional pain in the ass for the Federation for the next 40 years.
  8. XCV330

    XCV330 Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Sep 24, 2017
    I actually think that's what it boils down to. L'Rell has her finger on the bomb button, but there's an inherent understanding, she didn't put the bomb there, and the people who did so can do it again, and do it elsewhere.

    "Yo, we parked a Crossfield class starship under your lawn, twin-pipes. Guess where the next ones goes?" would have probably been the communique from UFP to the Klingon Empire we did not get to see, but hey, it's implied. Context is for kings etc.
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  9. eschaton

    eschaton Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Oct 2, 2017
    The hydro-bomb thing was completely ridiculous. Much of the groundwater is above the normal boiling point anyway, with pressure being what keeps it liquid. Hell, the earth's mantle has as much water trapped in hydrated minerals as all of the Earth's oceans. Hell, a lot of volcanic eruptions (and geysers) are caused when pressurized, super-heated water and gases manage to work their way to the earth's surface suddenly.

    Regardless, the energy needed to boil all of the groundwater on a planet would basically cook the entire crust and turn it to lava anyway. You wouldn't need the volcanoes to erupt.

    A better use of technobabble would have been some sort of dark energy weapon. Just change the cosmological constant to increase the baseline level of inflation of space in the local universe around Qo'nos. Gravity would be canceled out, and everything would begin breaking into smaller and smaller chunks.
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  10. Serveaux

    Serveaux The Wind Premium Member

    Dec 30, 2013
    Satellite of Love
    To the extent that there is any real world analogue to the behavior of Starfleet in this story, we in the West generally consider states that do this sort of thing irresponsible and dangerous to our interests.
  11. XCV330

    XCV330 Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Sep 24, 2017
    wasn't happy with the steampunk bomb thing, either. Clearly once you get warp power you manage to deal with tectonics or Starfleet wouldnt have made the half-assed decision to put their fleet headquarters on a fault line.

    I dont know why they didnt just go anti-matter/matter or some other thing, but the point was, they were deep in the structure of the planet without hindrance, they basically owned it.
  12. Jadeb

    Jadeb Captain Captain

    Jul 11, 2017
  13. Vger23

    Vger23 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Apr 19, 2014
    New England
    Hopefully, you know I'm with you on that. My statement was supposed to be painfully sarcastic.
  14. Romulan_spy

    Romulan_spy Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Sep 8, 2000
    Terre Haute, IN. USA
    I think an anti-matter/matter bomb would have made a lot more sense. We know that an anti-matter/matter explosion would release a lot of energy, even more than a nuke. And it does not take a lot of anti-matter so a small bomb would be fine. Planted inside an active volcano and you could get a mass extinction event. Hydro means water so a hydrobomb is a bit of a silly name IMO.
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  15. Captain Killy

    Captain Killy Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    Jan 17, 2018
    Yet you watched it. So not so unwatchable after all.
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  16. Tim Thomason

    Tim Thomason Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    May 27, 2009
    Daniels' Illinois
    "Just change the cosmological constant?" What are you, a Q?

    They probably should've just used a time crystal, and have Ash and L'Rell take over Qo'noS that way. She could probably challenge the Chancellor to the death easily if she has unlimited do-overs.

    I wonder if she might pull a Worf and just install "Voq" as the Klingon Chancellor now.
  17. Boomer359

    Boomer359 Commodore Commodore

    Feb 13, 2004
    Ft. Lauderdale, FL
    He didn't speak in Inhumans. He was absolutely fantastic in Hell on Wheels, though.

    Plus, I like the idea of an actor with a background in Westerns playing Pike. A little extra tribute to Hunter.
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  18. BeatleJWOL

    BeatleJWOL Commodore Commodore

    Feb 21, 2012
    Winston-Salem, NC

    My post there that you quoted is dripping with sarcasm, just FYI. :)
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  19. Captain Killy

    Captain Killy Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    Jan 17, 2018
    [QUOTE="BeatleJWOL, post: 12364299, member: 37111]My post there that you quoted is dripping with sarcasm, just FYI. :)[/QUOTE]

    Or just plain old over the top hyperbole.
  20. SJGardner

    SJGardner Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    Jan 10, 2018
    In the center of Europe
    Now that you mention it... I would've actually liked that. For season 2, I'm still hoping to see some of the fallout from handing her the detonator, with a full-on civil war and all.

    In a basically Human body, with only Human-level strength... he'd last a grand total of two minutes on the throne before getting a bat'leth to the chest. I don't think L'Rell would bring him into the limelight any soon.