Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x10 - "Despite Yourself"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Commander Richard, Jan 7, 2018.

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  1. Fateor

    Fateor Captain Captain

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    You apparently have no idea what we are talking about if you think that applies...
     
  2. cultcross

    cultcross We truly were a song of ice and fire Moderator

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    Different point. @jaime was doing fine explaining why the other thing was wrong.
     
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  3. SJGardner

    SJGardner Captain Captain

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    Speaking of the Defiant, I wonder how it would look like when and if they actually find it. Being over 100 years old, the wireframe we were shown may not necessarily reflect its current configuration. If the ship is the Palace Stamets mentioned, it could even be completely immobile now, transformed into a starbase with a chaotic hodgepodge of later additions everywhere. It could even be extensively remodelled on the inside too, offering an explanation if the sets don't match the TOS Connie interiors. We could perhaps get a glimpse of a corridor or '60s color schemes here and there, but probably not much more.
     
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  4. Photoman15

    Photoman15 Commodore Commodore

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    Why is anyone complaining. Trek did what Trek (and and drama) does. Couples, gay or straight suffer loss. One dies. They are in the business of danger. Have you not watched Trek in the last 50-something years?
     
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  5. cultcross

    cultcross We truly were a song of ice and fire Moderator

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    Closely. Watched fifty years of heteronormative Star Trek where even gelatinous goo beings are strictly male/female. Watched main character couples, rare as they are, get whole dedicated episodes, blossom into marriages, pregnancies and only ending when an actor asked to leave the show. Trek doesn't show brutal murder in its couples, as a rule. And it doesn't do homo. You can't see why people would be disappointed those two things debuted together.
     
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  6. Tuskin38

    Tuskin38 Vice Admiral Admiral

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    there was a TNG episode with a genderless race.


    https://gfycat.com/UncommonAromaticKarakul

    This is my favourite scenes in this the episode.
     
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  7. Fateor

    Fateor Captain Captain

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    Actually he was wrong about pretty much everything.
     
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  8. jaime

    jaime Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Sigh. Imagine you are sat on the Defiant, and survive the Tholian web. Also for the purpose of this idea, imagine you are Immortal. Now. You are sat there from the day they build it...how does it look to you? Each day ticking into the other. Is it the same as how it looks to someone looking at it from the outside, as we the audience are, following the Defiant from TOS, back in time and across universes to the MU in Ent, still in the MU now in discovery...and in the hypothetical other suggested, should it cross back to the Main Universe.
    See?
    You can ignore all the discussion about seconds and whatnot as it’s irrelevant to the topic.

    If it helps think of other time travel stories, lie, Back to the future, where we follow one dude across his own personal timeline. They make it more explicit.
     
  9. cultcross

    cultcross We truly were a song of ice and fire Moderator

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    Yeah I know. Although that was meant to be TNG's 'gay episode' it was still heteronormative, with a male/female pairing. It was, probably unintentionally, an interesting early presentation of trans issues on TV and I retain a lot of love for it for that reason. But it still didn't manage a gay couple.
     
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  10. Syd Shanshala

    Syd Shanshala Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    But have we all forgotten the cogenitor?
     
  11. Tuskin38

    Tuskin38 Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Another observation, they use the TOS version of the Mirror salute in DSC, with an open palm. ENT used a fist
     
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  12. oberth

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    easy - hoshi simply hates any kind of fisting :D there are indeed two or three things you can do when you are the actual empress
     
  13. Fateor

    Fateor Captain Captain

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    I know what you're saying Jamie, it's just not accurate.

    And I already explained to you what was.
     
  14. CaptainMurdock

    CaptainMurdock Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Like this? :D
    [​IMG]
     
  15. Mr. Laser Beam

    Mr. Laser Beam Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Each new Emperor probably makes the logo (and even the salute) whatever they want it to be.
     
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  16. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Hoshi is not a distant relation to Arnold Judas Rimmer.
     
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  17. ChristopherPike

    ChristopherPike Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Oh thanks... Way to remind me that I now live in a universe where Biff Tannen is President of the United States.
     
  18. Succubint

    Succubint Captain Captain

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    Hey now, Rimmer's salute is classiest salute ever. :guffaw:

     
  19. guyute03

    guyute03 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Watching TNG's 'Parallels', Voyager's 'Living Witness', and wondering if there's any other alternate universe episodes Series-wide we've forgotten about.
     
  20. cylkoth

    cylkoth Commodore Commodore

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    Harrison Wells says that diagram needs more circles... ;)