Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x10 - "Despite Yourself"
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the EP on after trek said they originally had it earlier, like episode 3-4. But they wanted more background of the characters first. I think it is just fine. We have seen enough of the main characters in chapter 1, and since this is not episodic, you actually learn a lot about the character and how they develop when they encounter different versions of themselves.
Bye, Felicia!
Warts started World War I, you know. And got Elvis killed.
Yes. You heard it here first.
Big Wart took out the King.
Yes. You heard it here first.
Big Wart took out the King.
No they don't go to a dermatologist to get a wart removed, they generally go to a Pharmacy and buy a cream or ointment for it.
You speak truth.
When a show kills off it's gay characters like this, the concept of a healthy gay couple was never there to begin with.
I’m glad Culber is gone as we might actually get a chief medical officer instead of these lower decks Characters.
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Except Culber isn't being killed off. He talks about it on After Trek.
Will they use an augments blood to bring him back to life?
Augment and Tribble blood
You know what? I want my grandfather's Trek back...
DIS is a remarkebly silly show for how self-serious it takes itself. It has the utter most ridiculous plotlines and ideas - I remain of the opinion the last time the Mirror universe was pulled off right was in "Mirror, Mirror". DIS has almost a fan-fiction-like obsession with previous Trek lore, but treats itself as a hard, pure and gritty drama. As if it were Game of Thrones or Battlestar Galactica.
It somehow makes interstellar travel feel unexciting. Which makes it so much more frustrating when it gets it RIGHT: The scene with Taylor in the working-bee was genuinly amazing! But instead, the show focus so much on cheap 'whodunit?' and 'who dies next?'-drama, you might confuse it with a soap opera.
Other musings:
To end on a positive note:
This one scene, in the transporter room, where Lorca smashes his head on the door (badasss!) - and our heroes start to develop a cunning plan. An intrigue to fool others, the Captain playing the captive, and the former outcast proving himself as a Captain - THAT felt like true, palpable Star Trek! For this moment, I was a fan again. It wouldn't have needed all this excessive fan-service surrounding it...
DIS is a remarkebly silly show for how self-serious it takes itself. It has the utter most ridiculous plotlines and ideas - I remain of the opinion the last time the Mirror universe was pulled off right was in "Mirror, Mirror". DIS has almost a fan-fiction-like obsession with previous Trek lore, but treats itself as a hard, pure and gritty drama. As if it were Game of Thrones or Battlestar Galactica.
It somehow makes interstellar travel feel unexciting. Which makes it so much more frustrating when it gets it RIGHT: The scene with Taylor in the working-bee was genuinly amazing! But instead, the show focus so much on cheap 'whodunit?' and 'who dies next?'-drama, you might confuse it with a soap opera.
Other musings:
- The 'klingon war arc' isn't even over yet, and we already start a 'mirror universe'-arc. If we keep the same pace, we will have a Vulcan-Romulan-reunification arc, a Borg/species 8472-war and an appeareance of the Jem Ha'Dar until before the end of the next season...
- THIS is a Constitution class starship? What the hell.. DIS remains to be the show with the closest canon-connections to previous Trek iterations, while being a complete visual reboot - without actually being a good visual reboot at that.
- Lorca? Was damn likeable this episode. Personal pet theory: He is "Mirror Universe"-Lorca - who is actually a good guy, a revolutionary who wants to overthrow the Terran Empire with the help of "our" universe's back-up.
- Tilly did good this episode.
- Andorian in the teaser fot next week's episode!!!! (Back of the head of one of the guys on the planet - white hear, with blue antennae) Damn! I love Andorians!
- This show is VERY Trek-exclusive: Who the hell remembers the Defiant, from S4 of ENT/one of the not-that-famous TOS-episodes? Very weird to rest a major arc of the first season of a new show on a few one-off episodes from more than 10 year old shows. I don't see this as inviting for new or casual viewers.
- The Mirror Universe was a fantastic idea. Back in the 60s. Were it was handeled MUCH more mature (not EVERYONE was killing his superiours - the Terran Empire was a much more functional society, with the level of ridiculousness not exceeding any other 60s Trek episode). I still like it as a form for the writers to go completely bananas - for fan service and utter ham of the actors. But I completely fail to see it as a genuine, serious plot-thread. Much less for an arc over multiple episodes.
To end on a positive note:
This one scene, in the transporter room, where Lorca smashes his head on the door (badasss!) - and our heroes start to develop a cunning plan. An intrigue to fool others, the Captain playing the captive, and the former outcast proving himself as a Captain - THAT felt like true, palpable Star Trek! For this moment, I was a fan again. It wouldn't have needed all this excessive fan-service surrounding it...
I wonder if the beginning of the Terrain could make a good mini series
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I'm not sure the show is really for casual viewers, at least not like a network show would be. The nice thing about it being on CBS All Access (maybe the only nice thing) is that they can cater to a smaller demographic and still make money.
He was a full commander or at the very least a lieutenant commander and a trained physician, a lot like Dr. M'Benga on TOS. Did you have issues with M'Benga whenever he appeared? Was he part of a late '60s diversity agenda?
I think they made the MU way too soon.
STD's Federation at war is not too different than the MU one.
Lorka is also close (if not the same) to his MU self.
I mean if you can't have a clear/strong antithesis between the universes, then the MU looses its appeal.
I believe they should have waited for season 2, I suspect they rushed to "bait" the fans.
The whole Tyler story is ridiculous.
So Doc (RIP) finds out that Tyler is compromised and he doesn't immediately warn the Captain. Michael knows that Tyler is clearly in distress but she doesnt tell, putting in danger their undercover mission.
Discovery must be a ship full with incompetent personnel, since Lorca only trusts Tyler for everykind of mission. Imagine if he knew the guy more than a few months!!
I have this feeling the Doc will "come back" as the MU one. That would be interesting.
I hate Tilly. MU or not. H-a-t-e her. She was also awful in Longmire. Aaaargh!
I hope the real MU one will appear and they will have to kill her.
At least I would see one Tilly dying
STD's Federation at war is not too different than the MU one.
Lorka is also close (if not the same) to his MU self.
I mean if you can't have a clear/strong antithesis between the universes, then the MU looses its appeal.
I believe they should have waited for season 2, I suspect they rushed to "bait" the fans.
The whole Tyler story is ridiculous.
So Doc (RIP) finds out that Tyler is compromised and he doesn't immediately warn the Captain. Michael knows that Tyler is clearly in distress but she doesnt tell, putting in danger their undercover mission.
Discovery must be a ship full with incompetent personnel, since Lorca only trusts Tyler for everykind of mission. Imagine if he knew the guy more than a few months!!
I have this feeling the Doc will "come back" as the MU one. That would be interesting.
I hate Tilly. MU or not. H-a-t-e her. She was also awful in Longmire. Aaaargh!
I hope the real MU one will appear and they will have to kill her.
At least I would see one Tilly dying
Well this thing has a huge budget. At some point they do have to have views in larger numbers.
You don't really need to remember it.
The episode gives you all the information you need: a ship crossed over before without the spore drive, and the crew is trying to find out how that happened so they could maybe get back that way. That that event was depicted before is a nice bonus, but not essential to understanding what is going on now.
It's apparently a Top 10 show worldwide on Netflix. I don't think audience is an issue, even if it's niche in each particular country.
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