Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x09 - "Into the Forest I Go"
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The Cockney one.
Cor blimey, guv'nah.
Chapter One (1.03 – 1.09) Overall review
The first half of the season (after the Prologue) is mainly about the role that the Discovery crew play in the war between the Federation and the Klingons. Not much is seen of the various battles (other than Corvan II, with the Federation's Dilithium supply at risk, and the Gagarin's fate). Then there is the Spore Drive, but more on that below. There are certainly a lot of questions raised that weren't answered before the Discovery made that fateful 'last' jump, but some of them may be answered while the ship is lost in the second half of the season.
There is character development over the seven episodes, although certainly some more than others. Specifically: Burnham. She may come off as unlikeable, but she softens over the course of time, with other characters having an impact on her. A case in point, her adoptive father, Sarek. As stated in the review for Lethe the backstory added for him, is interesting, and it makes sense. (Why she wasn't mentioned by Spock remains a mystery though. Then there is her roommate Tilly, whom she is mentoring.
Other than hints at her being captain someday (by Burnham and a momentarily confused Stamets), she isn't developed that much. Captain Lorca remains a mystery. What happened on the Buran? And why is he so desperate to keep Discovery? (There is also the fact that he altered the coordinate's just before Discovery made an erroneous Spore-jump.) More to learn in the second half of the series. Admiral Cornwell made a good impression though. Even despite being captured by the Klingons and being partially paralysed she was able to assist Tyler with his PTSD.
The way Stamets was portrayed was interesting, with the effect being the Spore Drive Navigator quite distinct. Saru was developed well also, particularly on Pahvo, with him wanting to stay fearless... Tyler – Is he Voq, or not? There may be hints with L'Rell, particularly with the last scene with her in the Discovery brig, but I'm still sure he isn't. L'Rell may be playing another game. It could be that the Mudd we see, isn't the same Mudd we would see with the Enterprise crew. That he's Voq.
(Or maybe not.) We don't know much about Detmer, other than that Burnham was surprised to find that she had survived. Or about Airiam (other than her possibly being the Third in Command). Kol leading the Klingon's against the Federation (or trying to unite them that way), was done well enough. The Spore drive is a major part of this series. How it is used and ultimately why it isn't used later on is a good way to draw one in. 8.6/10.
The first half of the season (after the Prologue) is mainly about the role that the Discovery crew play in the war between the Federation and the Klingons. Not much is seen of the various battles (other than Corvan II, with the Federation's Dilithium supply at risk, and the Gagarin's fate). Then there is the Spore Drive, but more on that below. There are certainly a lot of questions raised that weren't answered before the Discovery made that fateful 'last' jump, but some of them may be answered while the ship is lost in the second half of the season.
There is character development over the seven episodes, although certainly some more than others. Specifically: Burnham. She may come off as unlikeable, but she softens over the course of time, with other characters having an impact on her. A case in point, her adoptive father, Sarek. As stated in the review for Lethe the backstory added for him, is interesting, and it makes sense. (Why she wasn't mentioned by Spock remains a mystery though. Then there is her roommate Tilly, whom she is mentoring.
Other than hints at her being captain someday (by Burnham and a momentarily confused Stamets), she isn't developed that much. Captain Lorca remains a mystery. What happened on the Buran? And why is he so desperate to keep Discovery? (There is also the fact that he altered the coordinate's just before Discovery made an erroneous Spore-jump.) More to learn in the second half of the series. Admiral Cornwell made a good impression though. Even despite being captured by the Klingons and being partially paralysed she was able to assist Tyler with his PTSD.
The way Stamets was portrayed was interesting, with the effect being the Spore Drive Navigator quite distinct. Saru was developed well also, particularly on Pahvo, with him wanting to stay fearless... Tyler – Is he Voq, or not? There may be hints with L'Rell, particularly with the last scene with her in the Discovery brig, but I'm still sure he isn't. L'Rell may be playing another game. It could be that the Mudd we see, isn't the same Mudd we would see with the Enterprise crew. That he's Voq.
(Or maybe not.) We don't know much about Detmer, other than that Burnham was surprised to find that she had survived. Or about Airiam (other than her possibly being the Third in Command). Kol leading the Klingon's against the Federation (or trying to unite them that way), was done well enough. The Spore drive is a major part of this series. How it is used and ultimately why it isn't used later on is a good way to draw one in. 8.6/10.
Not really. By his own admission Spock was never prone to discuss matters of a personal nature. Kirk didn't know that Sarek and Amanda were Spock's parents until after they were already on board the Enterprise, and even then Spock didn't volunteer the information until asked. He tried to take off and take care of Pon Farr without letting Kirk in on what was happening. Kirk and Spock had served together for over 20 years and Spock never mentioned Sybok. This is no different.
Spock's been alive for almost 200 years. We've seen a fraction of that on screen. He's probably mentioned her a lot.
They totally teamed up. Of course they got their asses kicked, but it was worth it.
This. Anyone who thinks there's some "mystery" in need of explanation here must either never have watched TOS, or not paid attention while doing so. It's exactly in line with Spock's character as portrayed there over and over and over again. Another example besides the ones you mention is when Chapel asks him point blank in "What Are Little Girls Made Of?" (TOS) if he's ever been engaged. He doesn't answer. Then in "Amok Time" (TOS) we find out he's been engaged since he was seven!
(Kirk and McCoy are seriously holding the idiot ball in "Journey To Babel" though. Even if his parentage could somehow implausibly not be specified in either his service or medical records, Spock repeatedly mentioned that his mother was human and his father was a Vulcan ambassador in previous episodes. Put two and two together, will ya fellas?)
-MMoM
Sarek and Spock bent Amanda and Michael to their will, so I assume that Spock alone believed that he could do the same to McCoy.
Remember: Spock didn't even tell his Captain and shipmates that Sarek of Vulcan was his father until more than two years into Kirk's five-year mission. As late as the koon-ut-kalifee marriage ceremony all they knew is that Spock's family owned the arena in which the ritual combat would take place and that his family was one of power and influence in Vulcan society. If Spock could hide the true nature of his father's career and the existence of his half-brother Sybok for so long then not mentioning Michael Burnham suddenly seems not only possible but very easy to do for a guy who managed to hide that his own dad was one of the Federation's most respected and accomplished interstellar ambassadors.
To be fair, the fact that Sarek has a human woman in tow apparently comes as a surprise to Kirk and McCoy when the doors swoosh open; there isn't all that much time for them to do the math.
I mean, if Spock is so secretive about what he had for breakfast or why he's currently dying, imagine how little advance information the Vulcan Diplomatic Service will divulge about this random Ambassador Vulcanname who is about to come aboard...
(What I then have to wonder is why, if Vulcans are infamous for never providing a point man and his informative briefcase, the pilots of Kirk's shuttle didn't surreptitiously send up a few advance facts about their passengers?)
As for Michael, Sarek now has quite a pattern. I don't think we have much reason to think Spock's extended family would be limited to a single half-brother and a single adopted sister! Indeed, "Yesteryear" suggests the average member of Sarek's family is unable to keep track of his or her innumerable relatives, so that a Cousin Selek can easily slip in when needed.
Timo Saloniemi
(Kirk and McCoy are seriously holding the idiot ball in "Journey To Babel" though. Even if his parentage could somehow implausibly not be specified in either his service or medical records, Spock repeatedly mentioned that his mother was human and his father was a Vulcan ambassador in previous episodes. Put two and two together, will ya fellas?)
-MMoM
Well he could be the Vulcan ambassador to Risa. After all social media is a 21st century human concept. After WW3 humans learned everybody did not need to know everyone else's business.
Not to mention Cousin I'it.
Especially if his foster sister was a mutineer who was widely hated across Starfleet for her perceived role in starting the war with the Klingons. Spock has to deal with enough prejudice just for being a Vulcan; imagine if Baily or McCoy found out he was the foster brother of Michael Burnham!
I thought Loud as a Whisper was one of the better Season 2 episodes, but yeah that death scene was corny as hell.
So I wanted to keep one of the prevailing theories alive with an image that's been bouncing around in my head for some time as to the eventual fate of our good Captain Lorca. I think it works, personally. Enjoy. 
Marta really likes his spores.
Why would he be court-martialed? Why is it any of Kirk's business?
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