Spock gets a non-canon kid every time he looks sideways at woman
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x06 - "Lethe"
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The episode didn't quite work as well for me as the previous several. Gave it a 7. Enjoyable but it seemed like the plot was just an excuse to cover the Michael/Sarek relationship. Lorca is nuts! And, I love that. If you're in a war, you might just need a nutty but thoroughly competent person on your side. The team is gelling. Loved how we got some history about the Spock/Sarek relationship too. Great stuff. We can see how Sarek was "angry" for having wasted his choice. And, we get to see the history of Sarek that we didn't know about before but yet seems to fit. In TOS, there was really no explanation for why he'd marry a human. Now we know that he has an interest in humans and wants Vulcans and Humans to get along peacefully.
Also adds to why Sarek was so pissed he didn't talk to Spock for over a decade.
Sarek would be the talk of the neighborhood if he hugged his kids.My thoughts as well
GARTH: You, Captain, are second only to me as the finest military commander in the galaxy.
KIRK: That's very flattering. I am primarily an explorer now, Captain Garth.
GARTH: And so have I been. I have charted more new worlds than any man in history.
KIRK: And tried to destroy Antos Four.
SPOCK: Why?
GARTH: Well, I could say because they were actively hostile to the Federation.
KIRK: Yes, you could say, but that would be untrue.
GARTH: Agreed. Actually they were quite harmless, and they made me whole when I was maimed and dying. And in my gratitude, I offered them the galaxy. They rejected me, and I condemned them to death.
SPOCK: How could you, a Starship fleet Captain, believe that a Federation crew would blindly obey your order to destroy the entire Antos race, a people famous for their benevolence and peaceful pursuits?
GARTH: That was my only miscalculation. I had changed. I had risen above this decadent weakness which still has you in its command, by the way, Captain. My crew had not. I couldn't sway them, but my new crew, the men in this room, will obey my orders without question. Gentlemen, you have eyes but you cannot see. Galaxies surround us, limitless vistas. And yet the Federation would have us grub away like some ants on some somewhat larger than usual anthill. But I am not an insect. I am master of the universe, and I must claim my domain.
KIRK: Yeah, but you're no Lorca.
GARTH: Oh yeah,that guy. Whoa...what a piece of work!
The Orville is the new Star Trek you are looking for. It's very good.
^ The Orville is not Star Trek. Nice try, though.
Discovery keeps on getting better with each subsequent episode, and Lethe is proof of that. It also completely disproved the argument that the series "isn't Star Trek" and filled in narrative gaps that no other Trek property had ever tried to fill with regards to Sarek and Spock, while also totally justifying the decision to create a quasi-familial relationship link between Sarek and Burnham.
Captain Lorca is fast approaching the point where he'll eclipse Sisko as my favorite Captain in Star Trek. Not only is Jason Isaacs killing it in the role performance-wise, the material the writers have given him to work with is phenomenal, and the fact that he'd been lying on his psych evaluations lets the writers do something that really should've been done years - and series - ago, which is to accurately depict what trauma can and usually does to a person psychologically.
I predicted after Context is for Kings that Burnham and Tilly were going to quickly become besties, and tonight's episode cemented that I was right.
I really like Ash Tyler, and still don't see any actual in-series evidence that says he's Voq in disguise. Lorca making him the Discovery's new Chief Security Officer runs a bit contrary to that theory anyway, as does the developing friendship between him and Burnham.
I really should've seen that there was something fishy about the Klingons' offer of peace talks, but I love the way the writers dropped that narrative bomb.I
Lethe was, as noted, the best episode of Discovery yet, and I can't wait to see where the series goes next.
Discovery keeps on getting better with each subsequent episode, and Lethe is proof of that. It also completely disproved the argument that the series "isn't Star Trek" and filled in narrative gaps that no other Trek property had ever tried to fill with regards to Sarek and Spock, while also totally justifying the decision to create a quasi-familial relationship link between Sarek and Burnham.
Captain Lorca is fast approaching the point where he'll eclipse Sisko as my favorite Captain in Star Trek. Not only is Jason Isaacs killing it in the role performance-wise, the material the writers have given him to work with is phenomenal, and the fact that he'd been lying on his psych evaluations lets the writers do something that really should've been done years - and series - ago, which is to accurately depict what trauma can and usually does to a person psychologically.
I predicted after Context is for Kings that Burnham and Tilly were going to quickly become besties, and tonight's episode cemented that I was right.
I really like Ash Tyler, and still don't see any actual in-series evidence that says he's Voq in disguise. Lorca making him the Discovery's new Chief Security Officer runs a bit contrary to that theory anyway, as does the developing friendship between him and Burnham.
I really should've seen that there was something fishy about the Klingons' offer of peace talks, but I love the way the writers dropped that narrative bomb.I
Lethe was, as noted, the best episode of Discovery yet, and I can't wait to see where the series goes next.
This show seems determined to be a competition between things I like and things that sorely test my patience. This episode was an even mix. Still, I gave it the same rating as last week--a seven. It was good, and didn't annoy me any more than last week.
Heh.
if Voq is Ash, then Ash vs. mirror Ash is going to be an interesting encounter.
if Voq is Ash, then Ash vs. mirror Ash is going to be an interesting encounter.
Why are we assuming there's going to be any interaction with the Mirror Universe at all?
It'll be after Lorca is named the Garth as a way of thanks from the people of Izar.
Glad I'm not the only one who had streaming issues for the first time! CBSAA has worked absolutely perfectly for me until now, and tonight was a complete disaster. AND I'm visiting family this week, AND they're all Trek fans, AND they're all highly skeptical of CBSAA and have seen nothing of Discovery. I almost gathered them all together tonight to show them the first episodes! (Before deciding we'd do it tomorrow) The amount of bitching and moaning I would have had to listen to if they experienced that glitching! That would have been it, none of them would have watched another minute. I've been such a CBSAA defender all along, but if they want to play in the big leagues, off nights like this are not acceptable. Get your shit together, tech team.
Anyway, when it finally decided to work, I loved this episode. The cast chemistry is really gelling, they're doing an excellent job balancing the episodic and the serialized elements, and that was also an improbably good job of weaving Michael deeper into the Sarek/Amanda/Spock story. I hate James Frain in everything I've seen him in, which is a lot of things, so I am still stunned to be loving him as Sarek. Perfect casting.
The holodeck annoyed the hell out of me. Fine, there was one in TAS. But the newness of holodeck technology was a major theme in years of TNG, which is far more dominant/prominent in Trek lore. This show has the most bizarre attitude towards canon -- it's so into getting little details right, while being completely cavalier about much bigger things. The inconsistency is so annoying.
And I am disappointed we went to the Yridia nebula and did not see any Yridians. But, I'll live with that one.
I'm already bummed we're so far into the season! I'm going to need more episodes than we're getting!
Anyway, when it finally decided to work, I loved this episode. The cast chemistry is really gelling, they're doing an excellent job balancing the episodic and the serialized elements, and that was also an improbably good job of weaving Michael deeper into the Sarek/Amanda/Spock story. I hate James Frain in everything I've seen him in, which is a lot of things, so I am still stunned to be loving him as Sarek. Perfect casting.
The holodeck annoyed the hell out of me. Fine, there was one in TAS. But the newness of holodeck technology was a major theme in years of TNG, which is far more dominant/prominent in Trek lore. This show has the most bizarre attitude towards canon -- it's so into getting little details right, while being completely cavalier about much bigger things. The inconsistency is so annoying.
And I am disappointed we went to the Yridia nebula and did not see any Yridians. But, I'll live with that one.
I'm already bummed we're so far into the season! I'm going to need more episodes than we're getting!
So far we know that it's holographic, but we don't know if the images are solid, and if characters can be engaged physically, rather than just vaporizing them with phasers. If it's just holographic, that would make the timeline more consistent since we only first saw solid holodeck characters and objects in TNG. On the other hand, TOS didn't have holographic displays as they have in STD. So I'll just end with a Deanna Troi quote, "Timeline! This is no time to argue about time. We don't have the time! ...What was I saying?"
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