Yet had no issue dropping that training and philosophy when she used a corpse to bomb T'Whothehellcares ship.
As others have alluded to, there is nothing in Starfleet training that says you can't use tricks to get a weapon aboard an enemy vessel during war. The Klingons started this fight under a cease fire agreement, they get to suffer the rightful consequences.
...Who is easily the worst main character in Trek...Also he didn't pull of a mutiny that ended up starting a war just because she talked to a Vulcan. Most of the crew were just serviceable and there...
"worst main character"? It is this kind of hyperbole that makes reasonable discussions difficult. Two episodes into seeing a main character who is undergoing a fall-from-grace-and-redemption arc and you are declaring her "worst ever"?
She failed to pull of the mutiny, but also failed to start a war. The Klingons did that for her. Notice she was not charged with any crimes relating to causing a war.
"Most of the crew" (i.e, everyone but Burnham, Georgiou, and Saru) were meant to only appear on the Shenzhou and thus didn't need full fleshing out for a series and story that takes place on the Discovery.
And probes could be programmed to go, do the fly-by with scans and visual records, then return to the ship. If it were destroyed by something or someone, they'd know.
Plus any evidence Burnham had with her visual and scanning records were all gone after her stunt. They said the computer in the suit was corrupted and nothing could be retrieved.
I understand the ideas behind her maybe having PTSD or something to that matter. I thought Starfleet had psych evaluations and other such testing for people, much less cadets.
I agree that since optical scanners were ineffectual, and the records of her suit were corrupted, that it seems like the scattering field or whatever it was had a pretty powerful effect on computer systems. Seems unlikely that an automated probe would have fared any better.
As for PTSD evaluations. I am sure they have it. We have it now, but neither group is 100% effective at it.
I dunno. I think there is a possibility that if Georgiou's plan had been followed, T'Kuvma might not have fired the first shot. It's possible that he felt he needed to demonstrate Federation hostility towards the Great Houses before they would have united under his leadership against the UFP.
I say "possible," because I don't think there's any way of knowing with certainty. It is possible that Georgiou's plan may have worked and that Burnham's illegal order to lock weapons on the Sarcophagus Ship is what prompted T'Kuvma to fire the first shot. It is also possible that T'Kuvma was going to fire anyway.
I suspect that Burnham is going to have to live with that uncertainty for the rest of her life....
Yeah, I would assume that Archer had information on Suliban cloaking technology classified and hidden away to protect the timeline--assuming any of their tech even worked after "Storm Front, Part II," of course.
Meanwhile, I just think the Suliban having cloaking devices was a shit idea in the first place and I'm just as happy for DSC to ignore it entirely...
I agree. I think Burnham was probably right in that a crippling blow would have stopped the war, but not by Starfleet gaining respect in the Klingon's eyes, but through preventing T'Kuvma from rallying the houses to war. But she doesn't know that.
As for the Suliban cloak, I hadn't thought of this idea before, but I like the idea that Starfleet would have classified the knowledge of the Suliban cloaking devices because of the interference from the future. I agree that cloaking devices and the whole temporal cold war were terrible ideas (from what I have heard they were largely forced on the producers and writers), and I am glad to have a justification for the lack of widespread knowledge about them later on.
He would have talked too much and had at least 3 conferences in the briefing room before coming to that decision.
Maybe you are joking about the conference thing, so this might not apply to you, but I am tired of people bagging on The Next Generation for having conferences. Give me a conference where meaningful things are argued about logically, or emotionally, or whatever, over mindless action (ala Into Darkness) any day. I can think of a dozen conference scenes that I would never want to give up because of the character interactions.
Absolutely. T'Mushmouth undercut his honour babble by attacking first the Europa and then the rest of the Federation fleet while they were under the protection of parlay. That shot him from zealous ideologue to criminal dirtbag in one horribly slurred sentence.
EDIT: Actually, he was already well within dirtbag territory when he responded to Georgiou's message of "Howdy, neighbour. Looks like you strayed over the property line for your little picnic. Care to talk about it?" by opening fire.
As many have said before, the Klingon's sense of honor (especially in TOS) is very flexible. Victory is often the most honorable thing.
That brought a fleet, yet no diplomatic people, to the area.
If you're trying to sell Starfleet as not being militant, then you probably shouldn't have abrasive GI JOE running the show.
The ships that were assembled were those that were available and in the vicinity, with the Admiral being the one in charge of the sector. There simply might not have been diplomatic personnel available in range/time. And maybe this runs counter to the attempts toward diplomacy, but maybe an abrasive GI Joe type is exactly who you want to be negotiating with the Klingons.
They are not exactly known for diplomacy or nuance.
At least in Into Darkness, Kirk acknowledges he is breaking the shit out of the Prime Directive.
Ah, but he doesn't acknowledge it! He tries every way he can to hide it until Spock blows his cover.
Plus I think that with the storm front and the distance walked from the alien habitat, the Shenzhou was likely not seen by any natives, unlike in Into Darkness.
And it never occurred to anyone on the bridge to go ask her what she saw???? If it was Kirk or Archer he would have demanded that the doctor wake her up for a debriefing,even at risk to her life.
As another poster mentioned, she was critically injured. Plus at that point, Georgiou didn't yet have cause to resort to extreme measures. There was no known risk to the ship. All they knew at that point was they had a crewman who had been out on a scouting mission too long, who came back with a cracked visor and radiation poisoning from the accretion disk field. For all they knew, she was hit by an asteroid on her way to the object, never even got there and floated around until rescue. The satellite damage was inconclusive as to hostile action, and the object was an unknown, inactive object.
