Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x02 - "Battle at the Binary Stars"

[Tosk]

which would be illogical not to use. Instant communication across vast distances, in a way that presumably is unaffected by jamming, radiation, etc. would be extremely useful even at a physical toll.

That would require every Vulcan to share pieces of their katra with everyone they may ever want to communicate with.

 

[Ovation]

Okay, people, I'm assuming I missed the dialogue that explains this:

Lighting up the hugest beacon in the Universe is not going to accelerate all those lumens past 186,000 miles per second.

So that "new star" of Sarek's - what is it and where is it?

Star Trek has never suggested (that I recall) that humans, Klingons or the other usual suspects can pick up real-time light emissions across light years with their sensors.* So everyone's getting this off of something like the relay that Shenzhou was repairing, right? The Klingons, Starfleet...

*Maybe, sorta in the episode "Tin Man."

[fanwank]Subspace pulse is real signal, bright light is ceremonial?[/fanwank]

 

[KirkusOveractus]

[fanwank]Subspace pulse is real signal, bright light is ceremonial?[/fanwank]

Details like this are exactly what I was hoping would be caught, especially in Star Trek, where you will have people paying attention to how light travels (ships that travel faster than light have been discussed ad infinitum, as well as knowing from reading about stars themselves and how long it takes light to travel through space).

 

[Mudd]

I could have accepted it more if Sarek had said something more to the effect of some strange signal emanating from the sector her ship is in, or something to that effect.

A giant bat-signal would take time for the light to travel out into space, wouldn't it?

Hundreds of years, most likely. Decades at least. Don't know just how big the Federation is right now.

 

[Kemaiku]

The beacon knocked out the Relay causing the Shenzhou to be sent, but did they describe anything about the Relays last transmission? A sudden burst of light that whited out the system, that they took to be a protostar being accidentally formed between the dying binaries?

If so then no one "saw" the light, and went by a high speed subspace transmission from the equipment that might thave been intercepted by mulitple parties (Klingon, Andorian). As long as people heard about it, they would travel to see it personally?

 

[starsuperion]

What another story into the heart of killing off the original time line and going with this new, yes I'll say it..

Universal Reboot!

 

[BillJ]

The dumbest thing for me? Not being able to beam Georgiou's body back up. How do they beam inanimate objects up? Smells like a set up for Georgiou to come back.

 

[KirkusOveractus]

The beacon knocked out the Relay causing the Shenzhou to be sent, but did they describe anything about the Relays last transmission? A sudden burst of light that whited out the system, that they took to be a protostar being accidentally formed between the dying binaries?

If so then no one "saw" the light, and went by a high speed subspace transmission from the equipment that might thave been intercepted by mulitple parties (Klingon, Andorian). As long as people heard about it, they would travel to see it personally?

From what I saw, they were there to repair a relay that went out. I don't remember them saying why except that it was damaged somehow.

So was the beacon used before the episode as well? The episode dialogue hints at them only activating it during the episode itself.

If it were a subspace transmission from the relay and was intercepted prior to the episode's timeframe, where are those ships that traveled to see this protostar?

 

[Mudd]

So, here's another thing I got confused about:

We see Michael in an Abrams-style learning pod (with 2017 enhancements) at the "Vulcan Learning Center." She fails to answer a question about the Klingon attack on some installation that was staffed by humans and Vulcans, clearing reacting out of traumatic memory.

Because that's when her family was killed.

Later, we see apparently the same set, same learning pods, in flames. Michael is wounded. This is clearly the attack in which her family was killed,

Huh?

The Vulcan Learning Center and the place where, some time before, her family was killed are the same place. Or identical places.

If nothing else about this begs explanation, one would think that being required to drill in the exact environment where her parents died would be at least as re-traumatizing as having a computer ask her a factual question about the attack.

 

[Kemaiku]

I thought the episode would have explained it, apparently not.

So...no one should know the beacon is lit until they get to the system. Which is not attracting anyone to it.

 

[dahj]

Or identical places.

They're Vulcan schools, one at the Vulcan colony where the attack took place, the other on Vulcan itself.
Those pods seem standard equipment for Vulcan schools, I don't see the issue there.

 

[LocutusCrusher]

So, here's another thing I got confused about:

We see Michael in an Abrams-style learning pod (with 2017 enhancements) at the "Vulcan Learning Center." She fails to answer a question about the Klingon attack on some installation that was staffed by humans and Vulcans, clearing reacting out of traumatic memory.

Because that's when her family was killed.

Later, we see apparently the same set, same learning pods, in flames. Michael is wounded. This is clearly the attack in which her family was killed,

Huh?

The Vulcan Learning Center and the place where, some time before, her family was killed are the same place. Or identical places.

If nothing else about this begs explanation, one would think that being required to drill in the exact environment where her parents died would be at least as re-traumatizing as having a computer ask her a factual question about the attack.

That was a later attack.

 

[rhllot]

I really liked the first two episodes.

I hope we have a story of section 31

 

[Mudd]

That was a later attack.

How many times was Little Michael attacked by Klingons?

The narrative suggests once.

If the Klingons whom no one has hardly seen for a hundred years manage to find and hurt Michael twice during her brief formative years she has worse luck than Joe Btfsplk.

Worse, how will the Vulcans know that they're at war now? What will be different?

They're Vulcan schools, one at the Vulcan colony where the attack took place, the other on Vulcan itself.

Apparently every memorable experience Little Michael ever had occurred in a Vulcan learning pod.

Hopefully by the time she hit adolescence she was at least riding in cars.

 

[BillJ]

What I don't get, is you've hardly seen Klingons for a century. Fair enough. But every time you've dealt with them in that time period, it has led to blood being spilled. Why was this so special all of a sudden that Georgiou and the Admiral completely throw away everything that was known about Klingons? Especially after they had already attacked a Starfleet officer and nearly killed her?

 

[cultcross]

What I don't get, is you've hardly seen Klingons for a century. Fair enough. But every time you've dealt with them in that time period, it has led to blood being spilled. Why was this so special all of a sudden that Georgiou and the Admiral completely throw away everything that was known about Klingons? Especially after they had already attacked a Starfleet officer and nearly killed her?

Same reason we treat a Borg drone like a human being. That's a core Trek trope/lesson/whatever you want to call it. It comes up over and over again from early TOS onwards.

 

[BillJ]

Same reason we treat a Borg drone like a human being. That's a core Trek trope/lesson/whatever you want to call it. It comes up over and over again from early TOS onwards.

Burnham may be suffering from PTSD, but she was absolutely right. And the only lesson I see here, is those that don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

How many people paid with their lives because of inaction on their part?

 

[Sakonna]

I agree that, upon a re-watch, I liked it much better (even though I enjoyed it the first time).

Now that I was just focused on the characters and the story...and not trying to absorb every little detail, it was a much smoother, easier experience.

Funny, I was coming here to post almost the reverse of this comment... upon rewatch, it really hit me how visually stunning and high-production-value this show is. Watching the first time I was so focused on characters and story I didn't fully take in how gorgeous and detailed the Klingon ship is, for example.

...And no, I don't think the Klingonese will make a general audience turn anyway anymore than those same general audiences sat through German and French subtitles in a movie like Inglorious Basterds. The problem here is selling audiences short. People are smarter than they are often given credit for.

Plus, how many scenes in Dothraki or Valerian have there been on Game Of Thrones at this point?

That being said, I think GoT does the fantasy language better somehow, but I can't exactly put my finger on why... is it that Klingon is a more guttural language and thus harder to listen to for long stretches, or is it the inhibiting prosthetics, or the slowed down pacing, or all of the above?

 

[T'Bonz]

Burnham was in two terrible things; one where her parents died as a result, and once at Vulcan school.

Talk about hard luck. Not even a teen and traumatized for life twice.

 

[Ometiklan]

Burnham was in two terrible things; one where her parents died as a result, and once at Vulcan school.

Talk about hard luck. Not even a teen and traumatized for life twice.

I think it was just one event (Occam's razor and all). Like Dodge said, those learning pods are probably just standard for Vulcan children (and their human friends) on any Vulcan station with children. Sarek was there during the attack, the only way to save her life was a mindmeld, and from then on they were family more or less.