Spoilers STAR TREK BEYOND - Grading & Discussion
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Retires instead of joining Starfleet, opens a very successful chain of seafood restaurants named "Kralldads."
That's more boring than what I typed. Now I'm sad.
Okay. I'll make it a Worf-centric story. More amusing huh?
How? Krall/Edison crasing on that planet was WAY BEFORE Nemo showed up and killed Daddy Kirk.
I don't know - senior Captain and mentor to the young Garth of Izar ?
are you guy's twin?
He ate his twin.
Yes it would be more amusing because to show 'how powerful' Krall is"..., you'd have to include the obligatory " evil space alien beats up Worf to show he's a threat..." scene.
I didn't read all the thread, so I may repeat some ideas - sorry in advance. As I've stated before, I'm celebrating my 50th year as a Trek fan along with Trek's 50th anniversary. IMHO, this was the BEST Trek film, period. It was easily the closest in spirit and execution to TOS, right down to the character interactions and light humor. I found the action sequences breathtaking. Say what you will about Lin, he knows how to film action!
I thought Pegg's story was strong, and again close in spirit to original Trek, including the overriding message. It was big budget spectacle, but it had "Trek heart", something the prior 12 films struggled with. The casual fan could follow and enjoy it, and there were plenty of bones thrown to the hardcore fan.
For the nitpickers, no women in their underwear (shucks!), (shirtless Pine though, which I guess is ok), no forced humor, a mature Kirk, and the focus on the triumvirate, with a good helping of Scotty.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but if you didn't like this film, I really have to question what exactly it is you are looking for in a Trek movie. Kudos to JJ and company for giving us a great 50th anniversary gift.
P.S. Flying into battle to "Sabotage"! How do you beat that?
I thought Pegg's story was strong, and again close in spirit to original Trek, including the overriding message. It was big budget spectacle, but it had "Trek heart", something the prior 12 films struggled with. The casual fan could follow and enjoy it, and there were plenty of bones thrown to the hardcore fan.
For the nitpickers, no women in their underwear (shucks!), (shirtless Pine though, which I guess is ok), no forced humor, a mature Kirk, and the focus on the triumvirate, with a good helping of Scotty.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but if you didn't like this film, I really have to question what exactly it is you are looking for in a Trek movie. Kudos to JJ and company for giving us a great 50th anniversary gift.
P.S. Flying into battle to "Sabotage"! How do you beat that?
What I liked about Beyond:
- Slower pace but not slow enough to put you to sleep
- More cool space stuff, less focus on Earth - which doesn't even appear!
- The villain doesn't have an overpowered mile-long ship of doom
- Each character gets time to shine
- Mass numbers of civilians weren't casually murdered, which they went overboard with in Into Darkness
- More Bones!
- The Enterprise-A looks amazing
- Kirk is a mature character I could take seriously instead of a (this is my opinion of course) douchey dude bro (seriously, in the last two movies, I was more invested in Spock than I was Kirk)
- More aliens and alien Starfleet crew members
- The USS Franklin's retro "Enterprise" look was great
What I didn't like:
- The villain's motives are, sadly again, a little thin and predictable
- The villain has yet another deadly weapon of death (which is basically just Thalaron radiation from "Nemesis")
- Not a complaint about the movie itself, but the trailers did honestly give too much of the plot away
- The Enterprise gets trashed too easily, again
- The "Sabotage" bit felt like it was a studio mandate ("We want a funny, quirky moment like in Guardians of the Galaxy to appeal to those 80's/90's kids!")
- Slower pace but not slow enough to put you to sleep
- More cool space stuff, less focus on Earth - which doesn't even appear!
- The villain doesn't have an overpowered mile-long ship of doom
- Each character gets time to shine
- Mass numbers of civilians weren't casually murdered, which they went overboard with in Into Darkness
- More Bones!
- The Enterprise-A looks amazing
- Kirk is a mature character I could take seriously instead of a (this is my opinion of course) douchey dude bro (seriously, in the last two movies, I was more invested in Spock than I was Kirk)
- More aliens and alien Starfleet crew members
- The USS Franklin's retro "Enterprise" look was great
What I didn't like:
- The villain's motives are, sadly again, a little thin and predictable
- The villain has yet another deadly weapon of death (which is basically just Thalaron radiation from "Nemesis")
- Not a complaint about the movie itself, but the trailers did honestly give too much of the plot away
- The Enterprise gets trashed too easily, again
- The "Sabotage" bit felt like it was a studio mandate ("We want a funny, quirky moment like in Guardians of the Galaxy to appeal to those 80's/90's kids!")
Finally got to see it and thoroughly enjoyed it. Glad I went early and ignored the negative because it was a lot of fun. The trailers do not do it justice, save for the one that starts with Kirk and Bones reminiscing.
The good:
-The characters. The film opens up with a long entry and gives Kirk the great speech of finding his way. It's so interesting, well pace, and just sets the tone for Kirk to have his introspective moment before the action starts. And it builds from there, as each character has moments of nuance and failure and frustration and success.
I also enjoy the fact that each character gets their moment to shine. Chekov is Kirk's right hand man through part of it, and really takes on the role with gusto and support, even in the middle of crazy situations.
Even the secondary cast gets some interesting moments, save for Krall's right hand man (more on him in a minute). The alien captain who leads them to Krall actually had some enjoyable moments. Really liked the translator device that was used as well.
-I really enjoyed the opening, and all the little details that was shown about what a mission entails, and the archives and wear and tear on the crew.
-I liked the pacing of this film a whole lot more, and the introspective moments that it allows.
-Graphics are great, for the most part. I think the montage of the Ent-A construction at the end was excellent.
-Great acknowledgement of Nimoy's passing, as well as a moment of silence at the end for both Nimoy and Anton Yelchin. The moments acknowledging Ambassador Spock's death have a poignancy to them that are allowed to linger.
-Yorktown base is amazing.
-Lots of little details that are great acknowledgement of Star Trek's past, their present, and future. Several lines are from other Trek media, but work completely in context.
-The use of Sabotage and other "classic rock" pieces was surprisingly well done.
The bad
-Krall's backstory was too thin. It would have been more interesting if he had absorbed some of Edison's memories as a byproduct of the life absorption process.
-Krall's second-in-command, Manas (terrible name-couldn't understand it in the theater) feels very underwhelming. He has a big moment against Jaylah and that's it.
-The score was a little underwhelming though it had its moments. I kept expecting a big build up and larger pieces but it was more of a slow burn. The final battle was well scored though, so not bad, so much as a mixed bag.
-Keesner has acid snot?
Conclusion: A- The villain's motivation annoys me so much that it takes a way from and otherwise great film. Not sure why all the hate. This felt the most like an episode of TOS, and even a little bit of TNG. It had great humor, a good pace, and excellent action scenes.
I guess I'll never get what is being looked for in a Trek film.
The good:
-The characters. The film opens up with a long entry and gives Kirk the great speech of finding his way. It's so interesting, well pace, and just sets the tone for Kirk to have his introspective moment before the action starts. And it builds from there, as each character has moments of nuance and failure and frustration and success.
I also enjoy the fact that each character gets their moment to shine. Chekov is Kirk's right hand man through part of it, and really takes on the role with gusto and support, even in the middle of crazy situations.
Even the secondary cast gets some interesting moments, save for Krall's right hand man (more on him in a minute). The alien captain who leads them to Krall actually had some enjoyable moments. Really liked the translator device that was used as well.
-I really enjoyed the opening, and all the little details that was shown about what a mission entails, and the archives and wear and tear on the crew.
-I liked the pacing of this film a whole lot more, and the introspective moments that it allows.
-Graphics are great, for the most part. I think the montage of the Ent-A construction at the end was excellent.
-Great acknowledgement of Nimoy's passing, as well as a moment of silence at the end for both Nimoy and Anton Yelchin. The moments acknowledging Ambassador Spock's death have a poignancy to them that are allowed to linger.
-Yorktown base is amazing.
-Lots of little details that are great acknowledgement of Star Trek's past, their present, and future. Several lines are from other Trek media, but work completely in context.
-The use of Sabotage and other "classic rock" pieces was surprisingly well done.
The bad
-Krall's backstory was too thin. It would have been more interesting if he had absorbed some of Edison's memories as a byproduct of the life absorption process.
-Krall's second-in-command, Manas (terrible name-couldn't understand it in the theater) feels very underwhelming. He has a big moment against Jaylah and that's it.
-The score was a little underwhelming though it had its moments. I kept expecting a big build up and larger pieces but it was more of a slow burn. The final battle was well scored though, so not bad, so much as a mixed bag.
-Keesner has acid snot?
Conclusion: A- The villain's motivation annoys me so much that it takes a way from and otherwise great film. Not sure why all the hate. This felt the most like an episode of TOS, and even a little bit of TNG. It had great humor, a good pace, and excellent action scenes.
I guess I'll never get what is being looked for in a Trek film.
I went with my dad on tuesday to go see it (cause he hadn't seen it yet) and when the franklin comes up and intercepts Krall's ships, I turned to my dad and said "and the play is intercepted." LOL. he got a rise out of that.
I would have to agree. What are they looking for, Inner Light, or Mudd's Women?
I think we watched a different movie.
Hell, I think we've watched 13 different movies !
Well... a storyline for one. There's just no meat to this movie. I don't quite understand the disconnect between the trailer being generally agreed to be bad but not the movie, because it's very representative of the full movie.
Ship crash, crew rescue, bad guy fight. They try to shoehorn a story of Kirk becoming bored, and then somehow a random rescue mission gets him going again, which doesn't really work. As far as exploring strange new worlds we get a visually impressive space station that we barely explore, and an empty feeling planet with one side character whose alien race I still know nothing about. Unlike the other great trek movies there weren't many interesting command decisions either. Into Darkness managed to have important character moments along with the light banter. This one doesn't feel like the spirit of TOS or TNG to me.
I love it when people watch a completely different movie than the one I watched. One where Uhura doesn't beat up a couple of Krall's minions and she, instead of going to her escape pod, doesn't sacrifice herself to save Kirk and give a chance to the crew, or she isn't the one who discovers Krall's identity by simply paying attention to the way he pronounced a word, or she isn't the one who saved Spock when he thought he was the one saving her. A movie where her role doesn't end up, actually, being a tad more pivotal and important for the main plot than McCoy and Scotty, in spite of the latter having more screentime thank to their interactions with Spock and Jaylah.
and I guess some people also got a movie where the only reason S/U initially break up is not just the fact he wanted to leave them all to help the vulcans and, therefore, if in the end he stays, and the whole movie pretty much made a point they love each other, it's easy to understand that they get back together too especially when helped by a scene where they are blatantly flirting and he tells her he went to the party only to spend time with her and she calls him 'old romantic'. (I guess for some people they didn't get back together if they didn't have a make out session in front of the whole crew)
you guys also please remind me what McCoy did more than being a 'friend' first to Kirk and then to Spock because it seems to me that rather than knowing more about him and his personal life, he really gets more screentime in this movie by mostly being someone who listens to Kirk or Spock problems. Did he even interact with other characters beside them? If that and the attention 'bromance' gets is something you consider ok in spite of really having male characters 'defined' by those dynamics and not doing much more beyond that, then I think we can do without this never ending concern trolling about Uhura - who is pretty much less defined by her relationship with Spock than the dudes are by bromance - whose contribution to the plot is constantly erased for no other reason than the fact that she's a woman and therefore her having a relationship somehow diminishes her in the same breath people glorify male characters defined by relationships.
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