Have we figured out what the title "Beyond" means yet?
Spoilers STAR TREK BEYOND - Grading & Discussion
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"Beyond" the frontier...
Krall wants the Feds to stop, Kirk and Co. don't.
Kirk and Co. win. So the Feds go "beyond" - presumably in the next film.
Krall wants the Feds to stop, Kirk and Co. don't.
Kirk and Co. win. So the Feds go "beyond" - presumably in the next film.
Kraal's planet was a couple hours away from the York Town.
As a hub of trade and diplomacy between the entire Federation, Yorktown's construction site must have been chosen to lay near the centre of the Federation which is almost the exactly the opposite of beyond.
Star Trek Nucleus would be a firm cartographical descriptor, if that's what they were going for.
As a hub of trade and diplomacy between the entire Federation, Yorktown's construction site must have been chosen to lay near the centre of the Federation which is almost the exactly the opposite of beyond.
Star Trek Nucleus would be a firm cartographical descriptor, if that's what they were going for.
It's a metaphor. Losing the Yorktown would constrict the exploratory missions that the Federation had undertaken for at least 3 years. Thus no more exploring the "beyond". Krall wanted the frontier - the great beyond - to be a place were men were men and women were women and soldiers were soldiers NOT a place were humans and aliens could peacefully explore, seek unity with new races, and create a wonderful future together.
Beyond the Nebula. That's where all the trouble came from.
Not until this movie, unless I'm mistaken and it can be proven otherwise.
Agree. I've seen it twice and will go again and see it. It gets better each time.
You're describing Babylon 5.
This is why I am being a dick.
Spock is either saying that the Federation Council is too childish to accept that pragmatic tactical choices have extreme value when building a militarized asset, or that Yorktown's (fixed) location was completely chosen upon at random, or that Yorktown is mobile.
And a second warp/impulse engine for the saucer.
It was pretty good. I mean, it reminded me a bit of Insurrection but better. Pretty throwaway but enjoyable enough to watch.
I didn't really like the Galaxy Quest opening (they even stole the line about his shirt always getting ripped.) I was a bit worried it was going to be bad after that but it got better as it went on. The cast are good and interacted well. I'm glad Karl Urban decided to come back (he nearly turned it down after Into Darkness) because he got all the best lines (apparently he submitted many of them himself) and his stuff with Spock was the best part.
Kirk's arc was pretty light. He's bored of the routine of being a starship captain but by the end he decides to stay. That's fine but really straightforward. I'm not sure what the point of having applying to be a Read Admiral was. It was only mentioned in the two scenes with the lady from The Expanse and seemed like it had been inserted to add more drama to "will Kirk quit a for a desk job!?" No, of course he won't. Spock deciding to stay worked better because having the photo of the original cast together convince him was a nice moment.
Teaming up Kirk and Chekov was a good idea because it let Kirk look more Captainly (if that's a word.)
Uhura got absolutely nothing to do besides breaking up with Spock and getting back together with him. Again. How about just showing them in a happy relationship for once?
I thought they could have used Sulu's family more for some drama when Yorktown was under attack. I think there was one shot of Sulu looking a bit worried but that was it.
Scotty's accent seemed much worse than the previous two movies. He said "lassie" about twelve times and it never felt natural.
I liked J-Law. She was a bit generic but I liked the idea of her living in an old starship and she was a likable presence.
The villain could have been a good idea if they'd gone in to his philosophy a bit more. But he ended up just as another vengeance crazed angry guy. Hell even Admrial Marcus from Into Darkness was a better villain because at least he had a reason for wanting to start a war. Actually, was Krall trying to start a war? What was his actual goal? Blow up the Yorktown to show that the Federation is a bad idea and then what? He thought they'd just expand the Federation and start having wars again? And why did he even need the generic superweapon when he already had an imporbably large army of drone ships that could have surely destroyed Yorktown?
I liked the design of Yorktown but they didn't really get across how insanely massive it was. Compare it to Starbase in Star Trek 3 which looked huge. I didn't notice any difference between the new ship and the old one but I don't always notice details like that.
So yeah it was a decent way to spend two hours.
(Also funny how they commpletely ignored that Into Darkness ever happened. Obviously they'd ingore stuff like magic blood that can cure death and a magic transporter that makes starships obsolete becauase those were really stupid ideas, but they didn't even have a brief metnion of that happened to Carol Marcus despite her joining the crew and saying something like "I have a new family!" at the end of that movie.)
I didn't really like the Galaxy Quest opening (they even stole the line about his shirt always getting ripped.) I was a bit worried it was going to be bad after that but it got better as it went on. The cast are good and interacted well. I'm glad Karl Urban decided to come back (he nearly turned it down after Into Darkness) because he got all the best lines (apparently he submitted many of them himself) and his stuff with Spock was the best part.
Kirk's arc was pretty light. He's bored of the routine of being a starship captain but by the end he decides to stay. That's fine but really straightforward. I'm not sure what the point of having applying to be a Read Admiral was. It was only mentioned in the two scenes with the lady from The Expanse and seemed like it had been inserted to add more drama to "will Kirk quit a for a desk job!?" No, of course he won't. Spock deciding to stay worked better because having the photo of the original cast together convince him was a nice moment.
Teaming up Kirk and Chekov was a good idea because it let Kirk look more Captainly (if that's a word.)
Uhura got absolutely nothing to do besides breaking up with Spock and getting back together with him. Again. How about just showing them in a happy relationship for once?
I thought they could have used Sulu's family more for some drama when Yorktown was under attack. I think there was one shot of Sulu looking a bit worried but that was it.
Scotty's accent seemed much worse than the previous two movies. He said "lassie" about twelve times and it never felt natural.
I liked J-Law. She was a bit generic but I liked the idea of her living in an old starship and she was a likable presence.
The villain could have been a good idea if they'd gone in to his philosophy a bit more. But he ended up just as another vengeance crazed angry guy. Hell even Admrial Marcus from Into Darkness was a better villain because at least he had a reason for wanting to start a war. Actually, was Krall trying to start a war? What was his actual goal? Blow up the Yorktown to show that the Federation is a bad idea and then what? He thought they'd just expand the Federation and start having wars again? And why did he even need the generic superweapon when he already had an imporbably large army of drone ships that could have surely destroyed Yorktown?
I liked the design of Yorktown but they didn't really get across how insanely massive it was. Compare it to Starbase in Star Trek 3 which looked huge. I didn't notice any difference between the new ship and the old one but I don't always notice details like that.
So yeah it was a decent way to spend two hours.
(Also funny how they commpletely ignored that Into Darkness ever happened. Obviously they'd ingore stuff like magic blood that can cure death and a magic transporter that makes starships obsolete becauase those were really stupid ideas, but they didn't even have a brief metnion of that happened to Carol Marcus despite her joining the crew and saying something like "I have a new family!" at the end of that movie.)
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Well, they really didn't get back together and she had more to do than Uhura-prime ever had and she's not one of the "big 3" and shouldn't have been in the 1st two movies.
I think it was very convenient that they were on Yorktown in the first place. Isn't this a deep space mission? Why were they there? ... oh yeah.
I do not think this to be true. The swarm was having much difficulty breaching the Yorktown's shields as it was. I don't see them being successful doing it with all Yorktown's ships there to defend. I thought it was Krall's goal to kill all the "people from different races and cultures living in harmony", not destroy the Yorktown.
Agree. I wonder what happened there?
Moving beyond the warring environment of the period that created Edison is one meaning I see in it. That's what made Yorktown the essence of the story. It symbolized a new future of peace, diplomacy, and multiple species living, cooperating, and thriving together. Edison couldn't accept that. He saw himself as irrelevant in a world that had moved beyond war and violence as a means of solving conflicts.
I think that's why the posters were so colorful this time, too compared to those for STID, which also showed a lot of destruction. A movement beyond the darkness and into the light.
A reflection of many white males here in the US that can't accept things are changing?
Or that Yorktown is a frontier fort.You're describing Babylon 5.
This is why I am being a dick.
Spock is either saying that the Federation Council is too childish to accept that pragmatic tactical choices have extreme value when building a militarized asset, or that Yorktown's (fixed) location was completely chosen upon at random, or that Yorktown is mobile.
Remember they build em' big in the Kelvin Timeline.
How chuffed are you about your username becoming super relevant to Star Trek?
The crew hypothesized that he didn't want to destroy Yorktown, but kill everyone on it, then use it's advanced shipbuilding facilities (presumably run by his drone robots) to build ships for launching an assault on the Federation.
Rather nice. Although I'll probably have to go on record now as having had that username since I joined and didn't choose it because of STB. (And by the way, coincidentally, when I chose it back then, it was for Justin Lin's father, too.
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He specifically wanted to depopulate it as the weapon turns organic matter into an energy source. Flooding the air system was a win-win, clear out the entire starbase horribly of those "nasty aliens" he hated to get a massive store of energy from the millions it killed. And leave the entire base intact apart from the amount he could repair from the infiltration.
He gains himself the Federations own most advanced base against them, the Enterprise-A, every other ship docked there, millions of torpedoes, thousands of phaser turrets and they can't take it back again.
He launches with the weapon to depopulate all the alien Federation member worlds in turn, using the drones to destroy every defense in his path.
He gains himself the Federations own most advanced base against them, the Enterprise-A, every other ship docked there, millions of torpedoes, thousands of phaser turrets and they can't take it back again.
He launches with the weapon to depopulate all the alien Federation member worlds in turn, using the drones to destroy every defense in his path.
Ran out of people to suck the life out of and dies alone on Altamid.
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