The Kelvin had 800; presumably the nuEnt has upward of 1000-1200. The number that survived was small enough to be beamed to the Franklin in groups of 20 while Kirk sped around on the motorcycle (so, under 200, probably).
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The Kelvin had 800; presumably the nuEnt has upward of 1000-1200. The number that survived was small enough to be beamed to the Franklin in groups of 20 while Kirk sped around on the motorcycle (so, under 200, probably).
Maybe the upgraded the Enterprise with some of that USS Vengeance automation tech and they need less than 100.
There was a massive memorial ceremony off screen. They had plenty of time to do it until the A was finished.
Yeah, I had the sense that in Beyond the total crew complement was on the order of 200 or so, which is much different than I thought after 09/ID, but I guess a 200 number isn't really contradicted by either of those.
What aspect did they suck out of "Gene's Vision"?
Was it the desire to merchandise the TV series and feature films to the hilt so he could profit on every single aspect of his creation (as he tried to do with Lincoln Enterprises), or his going around showing Star trek Blooper Reels in the late 1970ies and early 1980ies at Universities; where they often charged $20 a head <-- a high price back then - to cover GR's 'speaking fee?
OR
Was it the pretty, young, new actresses in short skirts that often only got a line via Gene's casting couch? (which is also rather well documented.)
A bunch of crew died in the massive hull breaches that happened, and we saw redshirts biting it by the dozen while fighting the robots. I'm sure someone will count the survivors once the DVD comes out, but I'm guessing about half the crew died if we're being super optimistic.
Anyone think that the time lapse of the Ent-A being constructed was really cool?
I would estimate the number of survivors as less than a hundred. What could kill the crew?
* Being killed by explosions
* Being killed by impaling
* Being killed by being sucked into space
* Being killed in gun battles
Some crew were already leaving the ship as it was being overwhelmed by the Swarm. If I remember correctly, there was a shot of the main shuttle bay. At least two shuttles lifted off, with one being destroyed by a Swarm ship. (It's surprising that not more shuttles were launched.)
* Being killed by explosions
* Being killed by impaling
* Being killed by being sucked into space
* Being killed in gun battles
Some crew were already leaving the ship as it was being overwhelmed by the Swarm. If I remember correctly, there was a shot of the main shuttle bay. At least two shuttles lifted off, with one being destroyed by a Swarm ship. (It's surprising that not more shuttles were launched.)
Speaking of Gene Roddenberry, I spent the whole movie going, "Look at all these ZIPPERS! This would have driven Gene crazy!" Seriously, half the costumes seemed to have big, chunky zippers on them -- not to mention the fact that the new crew uniforms (which I like a lot better than the ones from the previous two films) had zippers up the back -- "Uh, Spock, could you do me up the back, please? Thanks." 
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Yes! I had never seen anything like it in Trek before, and I loved it.
So I have seen it three times so far, and after being slightly underwhelmed by it after the first viewing, I really really loved it after the second two viewings. I gave it an A-. It was such a nice blend of the past and present of this franchise. The new and old characters all worked really well, and I personally like Krall and his twisty backstory. The effects work was also great (minus that really strange intro shot of Kirk and Jaylah on the bike, that was odd looking.)
A few things I would have like to have seen, and a couple of theories.
As for the Enterprise's crew compliment, perhaps she wasn't fully staffed when she went to Altamid. It seemed like the crew was supposed to have some R+R on Yorktown, so perhaps she was sent to Altamid with just her operations crew, without all the scientific and research teams. I mean, it was supposed to be a quick rescue mission for the ship, so it would make sense to leave any extra people behind at Yorktown. If she had a crew compliment of 1200 ish, maybe she went to Altamid with only a couple hundred onboard. It would sit well with me to think that the majority of the crew wasn't massacred in the battle.
Also, I wish there was some explanation about why the transporter wasn't used to go after Krall at the end. Just some throwaway like about how the systems were offline due two the Swarm attack on the base.
I gotta go see it again.
A few things I would have like to have seen, and a couple of theories.
As for the Enterprise's crew compliment, perhaps she wasn't fully staffed when she went to Altamid. It seemed like the crew was supposed to have some R+R on Yorktown, so perhaps she was sent to Altamid with just her operations crew, without all the scientific and research teams. I mean, it was supposed to be a quick rescue mission for the ship, so it would make sense to leave any extra people behind at Yorktown. If she had a crew compliment of 1200 ish, maybe she went to Altamid with only a couple hundred onboard. It would sit well with me to think that the majority of the crew wasn't massacred in the battle.
Also, I wish there was some explanation about why the transporter wasn't used to go after Krall at the end. Just some throwaway like about how the systems were offline due two the Swarm attack on the base.
I gotta go see it again.
They beamed escaping personnel over to the Franklin twenty at a time. Don't know how many total beam-outs there were, but about 100 survivors on the planet sounds right for some reason (let's also not forget those who escaped the ship but may have been killed by their escape pod burning up in the atmosphere for some reason, or in the landing of their escape pod, or it landed somewhere very remote and completely stranded them).
It didn't appear in the movie, but there was a scene in some of the trailers and commercials of the crew on the planet being marched in line. In a still of that scene, I think I counted around fifty crewmembers give or take a few , for what that's worth.
Also, the Franklin is a pretty small ship. We never saw how they packed the escapees in, but there couldn't have been a lot of them by definition, or they would've been in there like sardines.
I had the same feeling at my first viewing. Haven't been a second time yet, but after reading some stuff here, certain things make more sense to me, and I think I'll like it much more.
Good point about the Enterprise crew. Makes great sense. They needed the Enterprise for its technology. A skeleton crew would've been plenty. That idea will become part of my personal canon for the movie.
As far as the transporter goes, I thought the same thing about Krall. However, it was nice to see the Franklin's transporter working flawlessly to help the crew escape. Maybe the two things go hand-in-hand. You know that old Trek adage: the transporter works only as well as the plot needs it to.
I must've been having an off day, because it didn't occur to me right away that was a time lapse of the construction.
I really gotta go again.
I think Gene was too busy looking at the length of the actresses' skirts to pay attention to zippers.Speaking of Gene Roddenberry, I spent the whole movie going, "Look at all these ZIPPERS! This would have driven Gene crazy!" Seriously, half the costumes seemed to have big, chunky zippers on them -- not to mention the fact that the new crew uniforms (which I like a lot better than the ones from the previous two films) had zippers up the back -- "Uh, Spock, could you do me up the back, please? Thanks."
Zippers abound in TOS and TNG. Spock's costumes are especially notorious for obvious zippers. Don't get me started on Wesley's grey not quite uniform.
My question about the crew was how all of the crew was supposed to fit in the (relatively) tiny and trashed Franklin. I noticed some of the portholes were blown out in the front of the saucer, so not all of it was habitable. Maybe in the big lounge?
...it works, if you factor that most of the crew had died in the massive attack. I dunno if this is just me being pessimistic, but there could have been only 40 crewmen who survived, and both beam-outs we see were "it".
...it works, if you factor that most of the crew had died in the massive attack. I dunno if this is just me being pessimistic, but there could have been only 40 crewmen who survived, and both beam-outs we see were "it".
By far the best of the JJVerse Trek, which finally got over its convoluted fanboy nonsense about dual timelines and WAY heavy handed rips from the original franchise, which are not actually fun for anyone. This was just a solid, entertaining Trek story. Kirk was much less of a fratboy tool and within inches of the character I grew up with and loved, finally catching up with Karl Urban's and Zachary Quinto's original but wholly faithful portrayals of Bones and Spock. I'm so glad they managed a good one on the 50th Anniversary.
I thought the general's conspiracy was an interesting idea but they went to it too soon, before it was established what the Fed principles were that the general was perverting.
Imagine if Kirk returns from his five year mission and THEN discovers a Starfleet conspiracy. His relative experience would give the problem more gravitas.
I just got back from a screening....and I thought the movie was awesome!
A definite improvement over the last film.
I love the nods to the original series (e.g. 'to absent friends'...'in a pig's eye!'...the Franklin being swiped out of space by a green hand which now says the Enterprise wasn't the first Starfleet vessel to be taken in by Apollo).
I teared up at certain scenes: The Enterprise getting beaten down with lives lost; the camaraderie between the crew (even the ones who had bit parts) - you felt it if their lives were sacrificed. I also smiled and got a bit emotional during the the construction of the new Enterprise-A. Of course, the bit where Spock sees a picture of Ambassador Spock's old crew from the 'other' timeline....was emotional. (I'm sure there were more scenes that got me emotional).
I loved the bit with the Beastie Boys as well as Public Enemy.
I loved Idris Elba's villain. The guy who thinks he's doing the right thing, but is just warped in his head.
Bring on the 4th film with this crew please!
Grade: A
Things I would like to see:
*Spock and Uhura having a child, since we're would see how they balance careers and children. No doubt, they'll have Sulu as an example of how to do that.
Speaking of Sulu:
*I'm looking forward to seeing him as 'Captain' Sulu of the USS Excelsior in a future film.
A definite improvement over the last film.
I love the nods to the original series (e.g. 'to absent friends'...'in a pig's eye!'...the Franklin being swiped out of space by a green hand which now says the Enterprise wasn't the first Starfleet vessel to be taken in by Apollo).
I teared up at certain scenes: The Enterprise getting beaten down with lives lost; the camaraderie between the crew (even the ones who had bit parts) - you felt it if their lives were sacrificed. I also smiled and got a bit emotional during the the construction of the new Enterprise-A. Of course, the bit where Spock sees a picture of Ambassador Spock's old crew from the 'other' timeline....was emotional. (I'm sure there were more scenes that got me emotional).
I loved the bit with the Beastie Boys as well as Public Enemy.
I loved Idris Elba's villain. The guy who thinks he's doing the right thing, but is just warped in his head.
Bring on the 4th film with this crew please!
Grade: A
Things I would like to see:
*Spock and Uhura having a child, since we're would see how they balance careers and children. No doubt, they'll have Sulu as an example of how to do that.
Speaking of Sulu:
*I'm looking forward to seeing him as 'Captain' Sulu of the USS Excelsior in a future film.
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