If they give me permission, I will quote what Alec said. I don't know the rules about quoting people who are attacked here but banned from posting here.
Star Trek: Axanar
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If they give me permission, I will quote what Alec said. I don't know the rules about quoting people who are attacked here but banned from posting here.
I know Alec, I've visited the studios, talked with him at length, and read the script. I think he's been pretty transparent, and I can also attest to the fact that he does not have a new car. I just saw him a few weeks ago.
One of the posters over at IO9 there is calling themselves Blue Thunder, which is a known alias of another poster who was banned from here, Christopher Dalton/Brent who has a grudge against Alec Peters, Dennis Bailey and anyone at Farragut Studios or Star Trek Continues.
I find it interesting he and Jeremy are posting the same stuff in the same place.
One of the posters over at IO9 there is calling themselves Blue Thunder, which is a known alias of another poster who was banned from here, Christopher Dalton/Brent who has a grudge against Alec Peters, Dennis Bailey and anyone at Farragut Studios or Star Trek Continues.
I find it interesting he and Jeremy are posting the same stuff in the same place.
This basher doesn't have his facts straight and 00 stated on this board he isn't following Axanar closely. Same guy? Who knows.
Barb, I do not recall Alec being banned. I saw a post from him (maybe his final post here?) that he would no longer be posting here. Maybe he was banned later, but it seems it was his intention to leave. Just my 2 cents as I have seen many people commenting that he was banned.
This reminds me of football fans thinking they know better than the manager/coach
Internet forum know als thinking they know more than film producers or directors
2 bit blog writers all think they are journalists
etc etc etc.
I hope Axanar is a success, the preview was superb and better than anything abrams has ever been involved with, and those taking pot shots at Axanar come across to me as some people with a personal vendetta rather than any genuine fact based reasoning.
This type of movie was always gonna spend more than first thought, and so far everything is accountable for it seems.
Internet forum know als thinking they know more than film producers or directors
2 bit blog writers all think they are journalists
etc etc etc.
I hope Axanar is a success, the preview was superb and better than anything abrams has ever been involved with, and those taking pot shots at Axanar come across to me as some people with a personal vendetta rather than any genuine fact based reasoning.
This type of movie was always gonna spend more than first thought, and so far everything is accountable for it seems.
Doubleohfive is not this guy. He's also a friend and I know that's not him. In fact, I saw him just 24 hours after I saw Alec last.
Thanks for setting the record straight.
I know replying to a post over a month old is going back a bit, but I'm playing catchup.
That was one of my favorite moments in the film. I love her devilish little smirk when she says it. Alexander earned that insult by kicking the crap out of the Klingons and was darn well proud of it.
Glad to help.
Both Alec and Doubleohfive are good guys. They may not always be the most temperate guys online, but they are genuinely nice guys who are passionate about what they do.
Unless CBS wants to drop the ban-hammer on all fanfilms, there isn't much they can say. "Crowd-funding" is just the modern way of organizing donations, nothing more.
A better question is why would they? They don't seem to be interested in getting new product from the Prime universe to the fans. At this point, is anyone outside a few "true believers" honestly expecting either CBS or Paramount to film so much as a frame of new Prime Trek?
Not happening...unfortunately. We're stuck with the juvenile caricature of Trek that is the JJ-verse. And after that folds it will be some other new conception of Trek.
We may not like it, but we have to accept it as the reality that it is.
I've had to do this several times in recent years. It gets easier after the first few.
*ETA* Go to the io9 article and look at some of "Jeremy"'s rants that are pending. He doesn't even get his canon right.
A public report on the Kickstarter has been published on their blog: http://www.startrekaxanar.com/axanar-annual-report/ (with a link to download the Prelude financials)
I appreciate them responding and it's good to see that they did so publicly on their blog. However, it would've been nice if Robert Meyer Burnett responded more publicly — i.e. not just on a fan group — about the statements made on iO9 and Reddit.
That being said, I also feel that iO9 should've done more "reporting" and less reliance on one source. Questions had been raised and iO9 should've asked those involved directly about them, thus giving all sides a chance to chime in on the accusations.
I appreciate them responding and it's good to see that they did so publicly on their blog. However, it would've been nice if Robert Meyer Burnett responded more publicly — i.e. not just on a fan group — about the statements made on iO9 and Reddit.
That being said, I also feel that iO9 should've done more "reporting" and less reliance on one source. Questions had been raised and iO9 should've asked those involved directly about them, thus giving all sides a chance to chime in on the accusations.
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More like the usual pack of increasingly-desperate trolls spewing the usual bile and predictions of doom and praying something sticks. Like CorpCap says, they're nothing new, and my bet would be that they're irrelevant to anything real associated with the production and will stay that way.
Much to their frustration, what's pretty obviously likeliest to happen is that Axanar will get made and will be successful and all of this other nonsense will be deservedly forgotten.
IO9 isn't much of a journalistic entity, and the author of the article in question is familiar to me based on some slapdash "reporting" done earlier this year regarding These Are The Voyages, so I wouldn't hold your breath.
Based on the additional comments from "Jeremy" I read this morning, however, it appears that he's definitely somebody with an axe to grind against Alec Peters -- not to mention a tedious complainer about canon. I wouldn't go looking to him for much insight into Axanar.
Most of them are just blogs. But I still hold hope that one of these so-called pop culture news sites would practice real journalism.
And it's via this whole thing that I discover that -- Jesus wept -- there's actually an "AntiAxanar" subreddit. 
That is the saddest thing I have seen in many a moon. I thought anti-JJ Facebook groups were the ne plus ultra of being desperately in need of a life. (Though on the upside, I notice it has like one subscriber.)
That is the saddest thing I have seen in many a moon. I thought anti-JJ Facebook groups were the ne plus ultra of being desperately in need of a life. (Though on the upside, I notice it has like one subscriber.)
To what extent does the sudden flood of posts showing Axanar's financials simply play into the trolls' hands? They already accuse the producers of spending all their time on social media instead of actually making the production.
Wouldn't worry about the subreddit. Look at the number of subscribers (1) and the rank (425 thousand and change). And it's a private, members only reddit (apparently with a membership of 1). And it's been open for months.
Wouldn't worry about the subreddit. Look at the number of subscribers (1) and the rank (425 thousand and change). And it's a private, members only reddit (apparently with a membership of 1). And it's been open for months.
Cue attempts to dig through the numbers to find line items that can be misrepresented or distorted in order to keep the narrative going, but I expect it will suck most of what remains of the wind from the trolling faction's sails in pretty short order. "Peters is keeping you all in the dark" was pretty much the go-to play.
When CBS decides to make their own series, the banhammer is exactly what will happen. For now, the fanfilms aren't infringing on CBS' turf.
The internet is full of trolls, making up lies and accusations. You say, in effect that the trolls raised questions and i09 should have given the trolls validity. ABSOLUTELY NOT. Lying trolls raising fake questions should NEVER be the basis of joining harassment.
That's not what I said. You're twisting my words and being hyperbolic.
There are legitimate questions, regardless of whether they're trolls or not, about where the money is going. That's a valid concern given the scope of the production, the money raised and Axanar's notoriety.
I'm not one to trot out credentials but in this case I will.
I am an award-winning journalist, one of those awards was for investigative reporting. My winning story started with rumors about money being spent. I then followed the money, digging through documents and interviewing all those involved to write an objective story on what happened to the money.
As they say in journalism, "follow the money."
Now I'm not saying any wrongdoing occurred. But a real journalist — a legitimate news outlet — would've asked those questions, given each side a chance to answer, from Alec Peters to donors to the director who resigned to the production's current director. There's a story here that would've allowed Peters and the production a fair chance to respond, as well as tell the story of those donors who are concerned about where their money went.
If I were doing this story, I'd do it all on-the-record — no hiding behind anonymity. If someone wants to levy an accusation, then he or she should do it out in the open with his or her real name and stand by what is said.
A good journalist keeps an ear to the ground. If concerns about money are being raised, then you follow up and try to get the truth, or present all sides of it so that the reader can make his or her mind. It's not giving trolls validity. It's being fair and asking the tough questions. It's doing your job as a reporter.
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