Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by PixelMagic, Jan 8, 2019.
Oh man, Disney have really pissed Star Wars up a wall, haven't they.
I have rather mixed feelings about this apparent end of the Kelvin movies, much like I do for the movies themselves. The first was a flawed but very promising start, STID was muddled and had Khan stapled on for no good reason I could figure out, and Beyond got the most things right, for me, but still couldn't quite land a decent villain.
Paramount's marketing 'strategy' - using the term loosely, since putting a trailer in front of Star Wars aimed at what you think those going to that film are after, getting a mixed reaction at best, then sitting on your hands for months before finally releasing a decent trailer too late for it to make any real impact isn't so much a strategy as a fumbling own goal - has to take much of the blame for things stalling, but they weren't handled brilliantly from the start, as others have noted. Paramount seem unable to manage anything that isn't MI at all competently, and even then they've the help of the well-oiled self-marketing machine that is Tom Cruise.
I'm sad to see the Kelvinverse mired like this, as it was finally growing into itself, but I don't think Trek movies are done. In the era of mega-franchises, everyone's trying to compete with Disney's formidable battery of them - Marvel, Star Wars, Pixar, their own animated films - and since there's far too much risk in creating new stuff for Hollywood's tastes, they either snap up film rights to the latest blockbuster book(s) and hope to cash in before they burn out, or re-use an old, known name. Why else do you think the shattered, rusting corpse of the Terminator keeps getting bolted haphazardly back together? The Potterverse may have given itself somewhat of a bloody nose with Grindelwald, but it will be back. I really wouldn't be surprised to see a new TMNT movie in the next few years, or a rebooted Pirates of the Caribbean.
By that token, Trek is well known enough and successful enough to warrant another try, but whether it's in the form of Kelvinverse 4 or a second reboot or Quentin Tarantino's Reservoir Pulp Trek is anyone's guess. This is, after all, Paramount we're talking about, so the odds of anything coherent aren't brilliant, which saddens me since I'm not a fan of Discovery, and as a result am nervous about the Picard show and whatever else CBS & Kurtzman are cooking up. Still, if thirty years of mainlining Trek taught me nothing else, it's that there's always hope.
Kurtzman. Roberto Orci was his writing partner and has kind of faded away (from Trek at least) since his ST3 script was rejected.
As previously stated after this year SW is going to take a back seat as they've said IX will be last film for a while - partly due to the shock bomb of Solo (and controversy of TLJ?) and just too much SW/too frequent releases, plus SW is heading to TV (like Trek) and also for the next few years SW's xmas release dates will be dominated by Avatar sequels. Also maybe MCU will wind down somewhat after Endgame (it being the conclusion of 10y of films) obviously theres more sequels SM2, BP2, CM2, GOTG3 etc but maybe after EG it won't be so crazily interconnected with Avengers/MCU dominating the box office at the expense of everything else (at least for a while. 10y non stop is an impressive feat..time for abit of a rest after EG) and same for DC just the standalone sequels now WW2, AQM2, SS2, Batman etc keeping the superhero genre going. also Xmen is coming to an end this year (will no doubt be rebooted into MCU in a few years). Potter is struggling at the moment (studio is probably treading water until they can get to sequels with the original cast). TF & POTC in a state of flux/process of relaunch/reboots. Terminator is on last roll of the dice (but DarkFate looks promising) and of course MI and F&F are still going strong
So maybe now would be the ideal time to bring back Trek via another reboot or a WOK style semi-reboot with JJcast. especially as there'll be no SW around the cinemas for next few years which should make Trek the premier scifi space action series around again like 1984-1998 and 2009-2013 (theres no doubt the return of SW affected JJTrek made it less special) just got to stay away from Xmas release dates next few years!
And that's why you shouldn't write forum posts at bleary o'clock in the morning. Edited to correct. Thanks. :-)
Good points, well made. It does feel like a breather of sorts is imminent, and goodness knows we need one, so it would be a solid opportunity to try again with Trek. Get a good team, give them enough time, don't go mad with the budget, publicise it properly, and who knows what could happen?
Where has Orci gone anyway? I see him occasionally comment on Trekmovie, but aside from that, he seems to have disappeared.
-also might be a good time for dormant SF to resurface (or try again) in next couple of years - (Matrix, Alien, Apes..even ID4!)
Roberto Orci Boards ‘Galaga’ Animated TV Show
You know, he was a long-time supporter of the idea of doing a new Star Trek animated series. I wonder if he was ever approached by Kurtzman about being part of the new ones.
I hope not.
Although I liked all but 'V' from the original cast, the TNG films weren't very good and I really don't like the JJ ones.
Discovery has once more illustrated that Trek's naturally best as a T.V. show and I'd be delighted if it stayed that way.
I don't get that at all, since to my mind Discovery is essentially JJTrek, the series? It's the same formula of big emotional scenes and big action.
Discovery missed the mark, IMO. Not a fan of Kurtzman Trek, picked wring showrunner twice now. Again just .02
That's really not how I see it. JJ's films are emotionally hollow, big and flashy set pieces. The sparse action in Discovery doesn't compare, and I'm genuinely fond of and engaged with the characters.
We'll have to agree to disagree...
That was remarkably civil!
JJ trek was action set pieces, did actually have characterization thrown in the interstices. DSC has much more about ppl going on with kind of a dumb threat\mystery arc-plot imho. Only in its attention to fx does it seem similar to jjtrek, to this observer. I 'm 50/50 on DSC, whereas jjt wasn't my cup of t.
It's easy to forget you're on the internet sometimes. I'm sure King Daniel will agree.
Same here. It amazes me how the emotional beats of the Abrams films are missed
It's a real shame this iteration of Trek is ending in this fashion. The Kelvinverse was just hitting its creative stride. Despite its problems, the Kelvinverse breathed new life into the franchise.
After The Rise of Skywalker is finished, JJ should return to the Trek franchise he built and give the Kelvinverse a proper send off.
I know this won't happen, but I wish it would.
If Tarantino dosnt happen then that would probably be next best option. Or better if story by Tarantino/JJ directs (I could see that happening)
Was thinking if JJ hadn't jumped to SW7 and directed ST3 instead (like Nolan/Raimi) wonder which version hed have done.. Orcis or Peggs? I guess Orci's as had JJ directed ST3 Orci wouldn't have tried to seize his chance to direct (and then it all fell apart with Paramount then wanting total rewrite no Shatner) also we know JJ had contacted Shatner about appearing in the film ..so it'd have just been Orci script with JJ directing as previous 2 films (the Pegg/Jung Beyond we got wouldn't have been written)..and some other guy directing SW7 (Ron Howard, Jon Faveru, Mathew Vaughn etc) which would've also been abit different plotwise as no JJ rewrites..
Ummm it was JJ who approved Pegg's replacement story and asked him to write it. If he liked Orci's script, I'm sure it's the one that would have been filmed.
TOS was in mothballs for 10 years........Kelvinverse could go back into play later.
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