So far, do you think season 2 of Discovery is better than season 1?

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by The Overlord, Feb 9, 2019.

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So far, do you think season 2 of Discovery is better than season 1?

  1. Yes

    62 vote(s)
    86.1%
  2. No

    10 vote(s)
    13.9%
  1. matthunter

    matthunter Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Biology doesn't work differently from one body to the next. Stories can differ wildly. I don't accept that one writer's experience conveys the ability to critique another with any more authority than another reader.
     
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  2. Alan Roi

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    Accrued wisdom and technical knowledge means nothing in your world. Interesting point of view. It rather equates to the idea that if you live in a house, you are the equivalent of an experienced architect or if you have been to the louvre you have the same level of skill painting as an old master. I'd place that idea you have in the fantasy genre.
     
  3. matthunter

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    It means something. When it is applicable. I don't necessarily accept the premise that being able to write your own story counts as "wisdom" when it comes to critiquing someone else's.

    Would you consider E.L. James "wise"? Or whoever wrote the word salad you have in your sig?
     
  4. Alan Roi

    Alan Roi Commodore Fleet Captain

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    Your argument: Debbie is a redhead. She is emotional. All redheads are emotional.

    Okay. A logical fallacy, but there you have it. You clearly are unable to step out of your own box. Fair enough. Not everyone can.

    PS. The fact that the meaning behind the dialogue in my signature escapes you. I get it. You've never listened to Jack Flanders and the Mystery of Jaguar Reef, so you don't have the full context of where that dialogue fits in the story or the subtext of what the two characters are talking about. I'd recommend it. It is quite engaging as existential fantasy adventure goes. It takes some analysis to get underneath it to see the full picture, but it's also funny enough so that most people who aren't good at analyzing stories can enjoy it as well.
     
  5. thribs

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    Sort of. Season 2 is lacking Issacs though
     
  6. Spot261

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    Forgive me for interjecting, but I'm not immediately grasping how cum hoc ergo propter hoc as a legitimate fallacy applies to @matthunters' premise?
     
  7. Turtletrekker

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    I think I'm liking season 2 better just because it's structured better, at least so far. The first two episodes of season one seems like the last two episodes of a long-running Captain Georgiou show. She even commented that Michael had been serving under her for seven years. The show didn't really hook me until episode 3, Context is for Kings, when we finally were introduced to Discovery and the characters and concepts that the show is actually going to be about moving forward. Season 2, however, hooked me right from the start.

    I enjoyed season 1 immensely, but I think I would have rather they start right up front with Lorca and the Discovery and Michael already in prison for her crimes. Then we learn the events that led to that point in flashbacks throughout the season.
     
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  8. Alan Roi

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    He's making the assertion that if one particularl writer doesn't gain understanding of the craft of writing throught practising their craft then no writer can.
     
  9. Alan Roi

    Alan Roi Commodore Fleet Captain

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    Oh, but the way, maybe learn the meaning of word salad:

    Word salads are characterised by loosening of associations, shifting of topics that may progress to near incoherence and a lack of logical connection.

    If you really can't make out my sig, then you need some remedial English lessons.
     
  10. Spider

    Spider Dirty Old Man Premium Member

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    One good show out of four, it's about on par with last year.
     
  11. matthunter

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    Oh, I can make it out. It just makes me want to throw up.

    Like salad.

    ;)
     
  12. Spot261

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    I didn't read his post that way. He said:

    which is actually quite a long way from being analogous with your "all redheads are emotional" example.

    Equally I think the architect analogy fails by virtue of false equivalence. An architect is primarily a creator of something which has objective measurable success, be it in terms of structural stability, best use of space, ergonomics of layout or any of scores of functional measures. Artistic merit is secondary.

    A novel, on the other hand, is judged on subjective and interpretive viewpoints. Two people can read the same novel and draw completely different conclusions about the structure, symbolism, aesthetic value emotional impact, allegory (intended or otherwise), so on and so forth.
     
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  13. matthunter

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    You might recommend it to Google, because the lines you've quoted bring up Jack Shit, not Jack Flanders. Not a promising sign.
     
  14. Alan Roi

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  15. matthunter

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  16. Alan Roi

    Alan Roi Commodore Fleet Captain

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    As jack Flanders has been produced 27 audio dramas ranging from 45min to 10 hours over the past 47 years I respectfully suggest you don't really know what are talking about. Heck, as a series its almost as venerable as Star Trek itself. As for reading in that particular genre, I still have to catch up on my Jonathan Caroll and Robert Holdstock.
     
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  17. Reyman

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    I liked season 1 for the scale of the stories it was trying to tell, but season 2 looks to be put together a lot better.

    Season 1 is in the lead, but I'd be very disappointed if season 2 didn't overtake it by the end of its run.
     
  18. Cyanide Muffin

    Cyanide Muffin All hail Doctor 13 Premium Member

    My only nitpick was the drill bit scene. That would have hurt a hell of a lot more then just a song distracting you from the drill bit going into your head. I don't care about the blob of goo on her arm but that drill bit should have had her screaming.
     
  19. Tuskin38

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    Didn’t they say it was drugging her?
     
  20. Cyanide Muffin

    Cyanide Muffin All hail Doctor 13 Premium Member


    They did say something like that but would it have been enough to dull her pain receptors?

    Also 23rd century they still use mechanical drills? I guess some things will never go out of use regardless of the time period we live in, oh and that wasn't a nitpick just interesting that electric drills are still around in the far future.