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Poll What’s Your Favorite SNW Season (So Far)?

What’s Your Favorite SNW Season (So Far)?

  • Season 1

    Votes: 36 48.0%
  • Season 2

    Votes: 36 48.0%
  • Season 3

    Votes: 3 4.0%

  • Total voters
    75
The Enemy Mine gimmick episode would have been a nice coda to the Gorn stuff, but was ruined by the Metron.
No.

If the writers just had Ortegas and La'an have an argument about La'an shooting the Gorn, where La'an just stated she got the green light from Pike and Una, it would have played better. Then, after Ortegas argues with Pike and Una about it, the Metron could have shown up again and warned Pike and Una that if the next Starfleet captain makes the same choice wit the Gorn as they did, it's the end of humanity. Nice foreshadowing of "Arena", and a satisfactory conclusion of the Gorn arc.

It would also have made it feel less silly that they ruined the ambiguity of "Under the Cloak of War" in "Shuttle To Kenfori" by having Ortegas wonder if the ship is harbouring murders. And be a neat little arc of its own heading into Pike handing off the Enterprise to Kirk

It comes from the writers of that episode being adverse to conflict among the female crewmembers. Which makes no sense to me, since we've seen Una vs. La'an, Una vs. Pelia, and Una vs Ortegas throughout the show.
 
Again I get the criticism. But season 1 & 2 had the same problems already - remember M'Benga's daughter in the transporter? She did a "Batel" way earlier.
If I had to choose between S1's fairy tale episode and S3's not-Dixon Hill - I prefer the latter by a mile.

For me the biggest difference is that as of now the novelty has worn off - in a bad S1 episode (and there were a few) everything was still excitingly new. While this season there were some clunkers and even the better ones felt like the writers already fell into some habits. But in no regard would I say S3 was 'bad' as a whole. They're all quite close in quality for me, and my biggest gripe really is that I wish we would have had a lot more episodes.


For what it's worth, the producers blame the two writers strike - which I kind of get, because "not as tightly written as it could be" would be my biggest criticism of the 3rd season:


I thought season 3 was very different than previous seasons. The characters were behaving differently. They weren't themselves[/] as such anymore. They developed motivations and explanations for the characters in previous seasons as you could see a pathway to TOS for them. Then it was all gone in season 3. Chapel was the most obvious example. In season 1 and 2 she's bright, empathetic, a good friend and quietly falling for Spock. The end of season 2 established motivations for her running away from the relationship which were unresolved PTSD and Boimler telling her (to her mind) that Spock wouldn't love her so she ran. In season 3, she can't explain why she ended it and doesn't think to warn him that she's coming. She comes across as cold and quite shallow. Jess Bush had to fend off questions at a recent convention explaining to fans that she has no idea why they did it that way and it wouldn't have been her choice but writers were insistent. The season felt like playing Mario Kart where the characters were there but suddently behaving differently.

I suspect the writers themselves might have been, initially at least, pleased with S3; it more closely resembles the material they've been writing since Discovery (which is to say, big serialised arcs about galaxy-rupturing threats, deliberately reduced plot presence to shift emphasis to characters emoting or having personal revelations, etc.).

The thing I don't get is why the first season started off so strong - I'm not trying to rag on the writers but I think it's fair to say, after nine years of their output, that they have certain styles and tropes they really enjoy and default to, and an episodic plot-driven adventure series is not their preferred mode of television.

It's a theory with no basis but I genuinely wonder if Paramount kept a closer eye on the show for its first few episodes to check it matched their brief, with all the usual buzzwords that were thrown out in pre-release interviews (episodic, "TOS-style", optimistic). After that, they left the writers to it, at which point they set about bringing it more structurally and tonally in line with Discovery/Picard, and saw SNW's unique strength as "we can do meta stories about Star Trek itself or do genre pastiches".

That sounds like a strong theory. The writers felt very different in season 1. I agree that season 3 felt like a shift towards Discovery. The stakes got huge - end of universe style stuff - someone is suddenly very important and destined to be special and traditional questions of ethics were dropped.

Yeah, I think there's a lot to this right here. So much stuff that they had set up with so much potential in the first season got rushed and unsatisfactory resolutions here. The season 3 premiere probably wasn't originally intended to conclude with the Gorn resolution it had and they would have probably been more of an ongoing threat. The Enemy Mine gimmick episode would have been a nice coda to the Gorn stuff, but was ruined by the Metron.

Likewise with the stuff with Spock and Chapel. It started with such promise and potential and chemistry, and ended with a fizzle. Chapel's thing with Korby came off as rushed and unsatisfying, with that little bit tacked on at the end implying that's the last time they'll ever see each other again kind of just kind of eliciting a shrug. And Spock's hook up with La'An just didn't work for me on any level.

The resolution to the Pike / Batel relationship was convoluted and bizarre and I'm still not entirely sure what happened.

This, along with gimmick episodes that just didn't land for me, combine for my low opinion of this season. It's not just the season itself, it's the unsatisfying resolutions to situations established from the beginning.

Yes I really enjoyed Spock and Chapel in season 1. They did a great job of introducing romance but still making this believably Spock. They were friends, they shared deep interests and values, they were there for each other and it was clear that they were quietly falling. I appreciated that Spock still comes across as in love with her in season 3 by little moments such as arriving early at her quarters for dinner and the plea in episode 5 but Chapel's behaviour isn't good.

La'an and Spock also didn't work for her. Is it casual, is it a rebound, is it a comfort thing? Who knows. Having Spock engaged to one woman (who we know he will return to), in love with another and dating a third. Goodness that's too much for Spock. The dancing was artfully performed and Christina is talented, but I thought La'an and Spock dancing was out of character. I would have enjoyed it a bit more with M'Benga rather than Spock but I mostly would have liked them to cap it at one dance.

Apparently Jess has hinted that she and Spock are not done so I guess they'll reignite that story.

If the writers just had Ortegas and La'an have an argument about La'an shooting the Gorn, where La'an just stated she got the green light from Pike and Una, it would have played better. Then, after Ortegas argues with Pike and Una about it, the Metron could have shown up again and warned Pike and Una that if the next Starfleet captain makes the same choice wit the Gorn as they did, it's the end of humanity. Nice foreshadowing of "Arena", and a satisfactory conclusion of the Gorn arc.

Agreed, that felt very unfinished. La'an needed to face consequences in a military / paramilitary situation. Worf in vaugly similar circumstances they did a good job unpacking Worf's choice there. She's obviously gone through something awful but a security officer who shoots first and asks questions later is an obvious security risk. She killed a potentially huge ally. They needed to address the barriers between Erica and La'an and get La'an help.


If they thought that season 3 would be the end, then I'm suprised by how they chose to end it. Yes it was positive, which was appreciated, but the characters are quite far from their TOS selves. Spock is very far away from TOS. I understand why they rushed Korby and Chapel if they thought it was ending. They got very little out of that relationship but I hope they keep it that way and we hear she's engaged and then move on. I don't think there's much more to be gained. I'm suprised about Spock though and where they left him. Why wouldn't they have ended Spock and La'an if they thought it was the end? That would have set him up better for TOS.
 
It's all SNW. The characters are pretty consistent, and I love them.

Fair enough. Each to their own. I don't agree and felt that they were quite different in season 3 with some odd behaviours as I mentioned. Pike was quite inconsistent with how he treated Erica and Uhura for example for very similar behaviour.
 
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