Should there be a "Temporal Cold War"-angle to SNW?

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Strange New Worlds' started by Rahul, Jun 17, 2022.

  1. Rahul

    Rahul Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Are you sure it's not "Planet of the week, the final frontier..."? :guffaw:
     
  2. Gov Kodos

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  3. fireproof78

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    Time travel is an over used tool. The argument was "SNW needs to do something different" and then state it doing the same thing as 3 out of 5 shows. That's not different, that's not interesting, and it's beaten to death in terms of interest. In short, whether it is a part of Star Trek or not it should be discarded, much like Pike's overt sexism in the Cage. That's baked in to, right?:rolleyes:
     
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  4. Kor

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    I would rather not hear about the Temporal Cold War again. Unless it's to stop the thing from ever having happened (will happen?) in the first place and erase it from all our collective memories.

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  5. Ovation

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    It got a brief nod in DSC. That’s sufficient.
     
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    There's always Star Trek Online...and Clear Skies...

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  7. fireproof78

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    So...it's been done to death. No, thank you. I don't understand why this is hard to understand. I seem to recall that just because past Trek did something doesn't justify new Trek doing it. I also seem to recall the idea with Strange New Worlds is to do something strange and new exploration. And, finally, the argument being put forth was that SNW should do something different from other Trek. Except. Three out of five current Treks involve time travel in some way.

    NO. THANK. YOU.
     
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  8. ichab

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    Agreed. I like the show the way it is: No TCW,no time travel, no overused species who don't belong in the time period, no decon scenes or sexualizing of characters just to appeal to 13 year olds...eg: another Enterprise. SNW is how a Star Trek prequal series should be done. Leave the Berman/Braga garbage in the past where it belongs.
     
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  9. dupersuper

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    To paraphrase Homer Simpson: just because I don't agree doesn't mean I don't understand.
     
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  10. fireproof78

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    Glad you understand.
     
  11. bdub76

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    Not a fan of time travel. It opens up so many cans of worms. One offs are fine. But that's it.

    I'm not a fan of it in the STO either.
     
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  12. Serveaux

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    No.

    The hell with that nonsense. This is the same world as Kirk's, no problem.

    The universal rejection of this idea is heartening.
     
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  13. ichab

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    Were you asleep during the early episodes when Pike was dealing with this very quandary? The writers haven't ignored it, they've simply pushed it to the back burner as of late because we have all these other characters that need development. Talking about that one issue every episode would be overkill.

    Adding TCW to the mix wouldn't be "doing something different." It would just be rehashing a bad idea that should be left dead and buried. The show hasn't even finished it's first season and you're already asking for a resolution. This could be a problem that Pike masters by the end of the season or it could be something he grapples with for the entire time of the show. We don't know yet.
     
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  15. FederationHistorian

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    No, it can be done, as a miniseries/anthology.

    Its just a matter of trusting that whoever writes and produces the story will do it well.

    E2: A version of the ship traveled back in time, that was then erased from time, despite he crew remembering them

    Storm Front I & II: It was never mentioned in the debrief in "Home", from what we can tell. So officially, Kirk's ship is still the first.
     
  16. Locutus of Bored

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    Oh, my bad. I thought we were talking about things that actually happened on the shows, not personal fandom nonsense rationales for why they don't count.
     
  17. Lyon_Wonder

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    NO TCW or any other time travel in SNW.

    Besides, DISCO’s in the right place to answer any questions about the TCW.

    The only thing time travel-related I want to see during SNW is if Mirror Georgiou shows up since my guess is the Guardian of Forever sent her back to 2260 while Pike’s still captain of the Enterprise and the S31 series will probably take place alongside future seasons of SNW if it becomes a series.
     
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  18. gweeps

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    Nah. Would be great if a Section 31 show dealt with the Temporal Cold War though.
     
  19. Cap.GRPrime1701

    Cap.GRPrime1701 Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

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    I think using the Temporal War as an in-universe explanation for all the lore/ visual retcons to the TOS era and other time periods throughout the current Prime Timeline would be brilliant.

    It doesn’t need to involve the SNW show leaning into time travel stories. They could heavily imply it elsewhere on another show that this war did a big number on the Prime Timeline/ multiverse, maybe even showing records of ships/ characters that “predate” the war.
     
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  20. Ray Hardgrit

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    I'd prefer it if they didn't make it canon that time travel has invalidated years of episodes.
     
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