Spoilers She-Hulk: Attorney at Law discussion thread

[Dee1891]

Agents of Shield tried to be connected in its first season, obviously Coulson's miraculous survival and the appearance of Jackson's Nick Fury were big pieces and they had some smaller ones ( apart from the connection to the events in Winter Soldier) but onwards from season 2 they were basically detached for the most part and then stopped entirely referencing the MCU when it became apparent that the movie franchise wasn't interested in a collaboration and the MCU never even mentioned them in a single sentence.

Jamie Alexander had made her second appearance as Lady Sif during the show's Season 2. The helicarrier featured in "Age of Ultron" was discovered by Coulson and his team in late Season 2. Gideon Malick, who was first seen in "The Avengers", was one of the major antagonists during the show's third season. The Sokovia Accords were not only mentioned during Season Four, both the Daisy Johnson and Elena Rodriguez characters were forced to sign it. Also, Team Cap's fugitive status was also mentioned during that season. The S.H.I.E.L.D. agents' encounters with a group of aliens led them and Glenn Talbot to discover that Thanos was on his way to Earth. In fact, this situation led to the events of the show's late Season 5 episodes. The whole situation regarding Project Insight played a major role in the show's mid-Season 7 episodes. And one of Gideon Malick's sons became a major antagonist. Season 6 was the only season that did not reference anything from the movies. It didn't mention the Snap. And it didn't mention the Blip because the series ended three or four years on the timeline before it happened.

Aside from Season 6, "Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D." had referenced the movies a lot during its seven-season run. At one point, during late Season 3, Chloe Bennet was complaining about how the movies never referenced the show. Which is I have found myself wondering where this claim that "S.H.I.E.L.D." had barely referenced the movies after its first season came from.

 

[David cgc]

^Indeed, if the movie-side had given AoS a heads-up that the Snap wasn't going to be undone immediately in-story (never mind if they'd told them about it before the movie came out so the season 5 finale could incorporate it as a tie-in event in the tradition of Winter Soldier and Age of Ultron), there wouldn't be any problem. Even if they were afraid of leaks from letting the show in on it before Infinity War came out, season 6 wasn't ordered until after the movie released, at which point the cat was out of the bag about the time-skip thanks to casting leaks because they'd already filmed Endgame, so they could've safely incorporated it without tipping their hand any further than, yes, we mean it, the Avengers really, really lost at the end of Infinity War, no tricks or take-backs.

You can still sort of inch around them never mentioning the Snap as is, they way I see it, it's hardly any different from The Incredible Hulk taking years before its events were strongly welded into the MCU beyond background details, or Stark's "retirement" as Iron Man not being reconciled for a few years between IM3 and Civil War, but it doesn't seem like it would've taken that much extra effort to eliminate the AoS discontinuity entirely.

 

[Reverend]

Regarding Matt's new enthusiasm for Cirque du Soleil: honestly, it kind of makes sense that he'd have had to have upped his agility game when you think about it.

Indeed think back to the first season specifically; Matt's real superpower there isn't the hearing, it's his ability to take a punch and keep moving forward. That's what that first iconic corridor fight oner is build around. In his early days he was approaching fights the way his father did; as a boxer. Except you can't keep that up long term. Injuries mount up. Fights take their toll. His self-punishment was a big part of his arc on the show. By the end of which he seemed to have finally moved on. He doesn't need to martyr himself like that anymore.

So, just as he's clearly found more of an emotional and spiritual equilibrium as Daredevil since we saw him last; it follows that Matt has had to improve, refine and adjust his whole approach to fighting.

Plus of course if fighting a monster like Fisk head-on taught him anything is that he can't depend on raw strength and endurance to win a fight and expect not to be in traction for the next 8 months. And against a Hulk? No chance! One good punch and it's good night counsellor! In the words of Mr. Miyagi: "Remember, best block, no be there."

And just let's be clear on one thing; Matt isn't just a "really well trained normal human". I don't care how good your hearing is; isolating dozens of individual heartbeats with pinpoint accuracy through brick walls and cement floors just isn't physically possible for a normal human. That leaves just two ways to look at this, so take your pick: -

1. His enhanced perceptive abilities are just as implausible as his freakish agility, so if you can suspend disbelief for one then so must you for the other. It's a package deal.
2. There was something far more exotic in those barrels than simply waste chemicals, and/or he was always a mutant and the incident that blinded him also activated his x-gene. When it comes to mutants and the laws of physics; all bets are off.

The Timeline Diverged with Infinity War.

Not if you cock your head to the side and squint a little it didn't!

 

[Trekker4747]

So is Jen (or maybe Jen when she's She Hulk) not a good lawyer? I would think that before bringing the case to court, or even presenting them Defendant with the suit, she would have ensured the failure was due to manufacturer of the product and not due to misuse of the product.

One of the first questions to her client should have been "did you use it right?" I'm not a lawyer and that occurred to me. Hell, them throwing this suit with that flaw could get then a heavy counter suit from the Designer with claims on them damaging his reputation by wrongfully filing the suit.

 

[Ovation]

So is Jen (or maybe Jen when she's She Hulk) not a good lawyer? I would think that before bringing the case to court, or even presenting them Defendant with the suit, she would have ensured the failure was due to manufacturer of the product and not due to misuse of the product.

One of the first questions to her client should have been "did you use it right?" I'm not a lawyer and that occurred to me. Hell, them throwing this suit with that flaw could get then a heavy counter suit from the Designer with claims on them damaging his reputation by wrongfully filing the suit.

I think the real world explanation is the writers have admitted they know relatively little about courtroom procedures and the law, so that aspect of the show comes short (which, in this case, matters very little--it's not Law and Order MCU or anything).

 

[Mr. Adventure]

I thought it was strange that Luke was designing the super gadgets as well as the suit. If you roll with it being a comedy it's OK but it starts to get a bit crazy if we try to put "real world" logic into all of it.

 

[Gov Kodos]

Edna Mode does suits and gadgets for supers and not those spoiled, stupid little stick figures with poofy lips who think only about themselves.

 

[fireproof78]

I think the real world explanation is the writers have admitted they know relatively little about courtroom procedures and the law, so that aspect of the show comes short (which, in this case, matters very little--it's not Law and Order MCU or anything).

Yeah...it is fun to watch the lawyers reacting on YT though...

 

[JD]

This was another fun episode. The stuff with Leapfrog was pretty funny, and Jen and Matt's relationship was pretty good. After him always being so serious in his show, it was fun to see a lighter take on the character. I loved the new suit.
Man things really took a turn there at the end, poor Jen.

 

[Reverend]

I think we need to establish a clearer distinction here because I keep seeing this repeated: Matt was never "always serious", but Daredevil was. It's just now Daredevil has more of Matt's actual personality coming to the fore.
Also, these are not mutually exclusive traits. Stick was always deadly serious (literally) but he was also very dry witted and funny in his way.

 

[theenglish]

Donny Blaze's sidekick, Cornelius P. Willows, was portrayed by actor Leon Lamar. And at 104, Leon is the oldest actor to appear in an MCU production.

https://thedirect.com/article/she-hulk-episode-4-mcu-oldest-actor

Wow. He's been in a few series I've watched in the past decade or so. I had no clue he was that old. Looking at IMDB just now (sorry that I had to check the age detail myself) it looks like he didn't even start acting professionally until he was in his seventies.

 

[The Wormhole]

So is Jen (or maybe Jen when she's She Hulk) not a good lawyer? I would think that before bringing the case to court, or even presenting them Defendant with the suit, she would have ensured the failure was due to manufacturer of the product and not due to misuse of the product.

One of the first questions to her client should have been "did you use it right?" I'm not a lawyer and that occurred to me. Hell, them throwing this suit with that flaw could get then a heavy counter suit from the Designer with claims on them damaging his reputation by wrongfully filing the suit.

My interpretation was that she had very little prep time due to pressure from her boss to appease the son of one of the firm's richest and very prestigious clients. Maybe it doesn't hold up to real life lawyering, but you do see this sort of thing in other TV shows all the time.

 

[Gov Kodos]

My interpretation was that she had very little prep time due to pressure from her boss to appease the son of one of the firm's richest and very prestigious clients. Maybe it doesn't hold up to real life lawyering, but you do see this sort of thing in other TV shows all the time.

Also, this wasn't a trial. It was seeing what the issues were and whether they were sufficient to go forward with a trial. They weren't because frog boy didn't follow the instructions for using the suit. Something, he didn't tell Jen but Jen didn't inquire sufficiently. That may have been from soft handling the kid of the rich client. I don't think Jake helped much, either with his prima donna attitude. Jen was just doing her job but he took it personally that she was representing dimwit. She reacted in kind, as much about Jake destroying the pre-paid for dress as anything else. Had they been less prickly with each other, Froggy, Jake, and the lawyers could have settled everything in Jen's office much more amicably.

 

[Trekker4747]

I still say simply ensuring that he wasn't at fault before presenting a potential Defendant with suit probably should have been the first move to make. I don't care how important a client he is, if he caused the problem then there's no suit.

Come on, She-Hulk, you're better than this!

 

[Commander Troi]

Anyone else think Todd is behind the Intelligensia stuff? He's wealthy, a douche, and has been rejected by Jen multiple times.

 

[Trekker4747]

And as neat as it was to have DD in the episode it's kind of annoying to see so many squeeing over it like it was THIS that had them watching the series and not, you know, the focus of the series: She-Hulk.

But the "hate" towards her is pretty disgusting.

 

[JD]

Anyone else think Todd is behind the Intelligensia stuff? He's wealthy, a douche, and has been rejected by Jen multiple times.

Yeah, that thought crossed my mind during the last episode.

 

[Commander Troi]

Yeah, that thought crossed my mind during the last episode.

He was at the gala, right?

 

[FPAlpha]

I think we need to establish a clearer distinction here because I keep seeing this repeated: Matt was never "always serious", but Daredevil was. It's just now Daredevil has more of Matt's actual personality coming to the fore.
Also, these are not mutually exclusive traits. Stick was always deadly serious (literally) but he was also very dry witted and funny in his way.

TV/Netflix Matt was not always serious but he sure didn't make witty oneliners during or before a fight - that is MCU all the way. The MCU just has a lighter tone than the Netflix shows and since we now have two versions of the character played by the same actor the differences are much more noticeable.

 

[FPAlpha]

And as neat as it was to have DD in the episode it's kind of annoying to see so many squeeing over it like it was THIS that had them watching the series and not, you know, the focus of the series: She-Hulk.

But the "hate" towards her is pretty disgusting.

I had this same discussion with a friend and she was never able to exactly tell what was bothering her ( the same with Kamala Khan from Ms. Marvel). Personally i know much funnier shows than She-Hulk and it's not even the funniest MCU show ( my opinion) but it nowhere deserves all the flak and hate it's getting online. I have my assumptions as to why but the show itself already covered these mockingly in its very first episode before it happened in real life though it didn't take much to foresee it happening these days.